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Old 12 Feb 2008, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just wanted to clear up a few things about why I have started up TOWC: *** and what my actual thoughts and opinions on Cena and Randy are. Some of which I've learned in the past few weeks, others which I've always believed and won't be changing any time soon. Either way, thought it would be good to have it all in one spot. Feel free to add your reasons for supporting TOWC: *** or TOWC: JC to this. I mean what you think wrestling should be about and the titles should be about etc. Not just, Cena pulls the biggest buy rates amongst the kid demographic, which WWE is aiming at, so he should be on top. Cos that does not necessarily follow imo.

1) The WWE is unarguably becoming more aimed at kids. This means its more centered around John Cena, midget storylines, and lame kid humor. I don't like this. My take on wrestling is very similar to Jim Cornette's take in an interview he did. "I just want to see some fucking guys wrestle and talk about when they're going to wrestle". I don't think Cornette has really managed to bring this to TNA, but I do agree in the concept.

2) I know this is partially stealing from Stick's idea, but hey, I think I always believed it anyway, just didn't ever word it that well. Cena used to be a good wrestler in the eyes of what I find entertaining wrestling. Namely, he would cut very good promos about when he was going to wrestle, then he would wrestle with a variety of moves and it would entertain me. There is no denying that.

3) I think Cena is now a crap wrestler who has gotten into using a boring and limited move set for cheap audience kiddie pops. His promos have also become stale and lame due to the WWE censoring them. Don't tell me that he can't cut some of the stuff he used to as a face, cos that's bull shit. I now think, in terms of what I like in wrestling, ***** is a superior wrestler to Cena.

4) For the group that WWE wants to cater for though. Cena is the better wrestler. Because he has a move set based on cheap audience pops, can sell merchandise and PPV's to the kids. This has obviously became the main audience for the WWE at least in terms of the WWE title picture, so it makes sense for him to be on the top if that is what they want to do with their product.

5) I do not think that Cena should be on the top as much as he is with his current character. I think WWE could try and appeal, and get older audiences, back into wrestling if they had someone else up top, or if they let Cena cut some uncensored old school promos. But they don't want to so it won't happen. I think it is a shame they are increasingly isolating this market. But hey, I'll continue to watch as long as there are at least a decent amount of mid card proper wrestling storylines and wrestlers.

6) I believe that the Wrestlemania main event should not always be about the two guys who get the biggest draws filling the spot. Even though this makes safe sense financially. I think the spot occasionally needs to be used to take the risk of pushing a big star to the next level. Cos whilst it may be a slight risk to buy rates not having your two top draws in the WM main event, if the push for a younger guy pays off, then long terms you will have more guys who can draw huge money.

7) I think merchandise sales and attendance rates should be of less importance than PPV buy rates. Cos WWE can make alot more of PPV buy rates.

8) Cena is better than ***** for the audience WWE wants to attract in this era. The kids. He is also a safe person to have at the top because he draws huge amounts of mainly kids to the show. But I think if the WWE took more risks with putting guys who appeal to different demographics on top, then they could have bigger audiences of a broader spectrum. But they won't cos Cena is a safe kid card, which is sad.

9) ***** has become better than Cena's current character in terms of what I consider good wrestling. Namely, solid and vicious promos, and good wrestling. That is why I have the right to not approve of what WWE is doing with their main title picture and the general slant of their product.

That is why I support TOWC: *** and will continue to do so.
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You know I read that, and all I see is, not only did you piggy back on Stick's opinion, but yov've actually did a complete 360 and disregarded your OWN opinions, but that's cool. What confuses me is, you're now piggy backing on my "WWE is attracting kids" point, to try to make up your own points. You also totally ignored the reasons WWE is targeting the kids. In short, that post did you more harm than good.

Side note; You really need too stop "acting" like you think Cena is a "bad wrestler", you know you don't believe that.
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I didn't go back on shit man. I know Cena draws the kids. I know he used to be able to wrestle. I just don't think he does a good job of what I like to see in wrestling anymore.

Also there is nothing new under the sun. My opinions are a combination of all sorts of shit. Some of it my takes on what I think wrestling should be. Some on stats and things that you guys have made good points of.

I don't see how this has done a 360 on what I have been saying all along at all. I've always said most of that and then a few extra things have been added, based partially on what some of the guys here are saying. Nothing wrong with that.

K, Cena isn't a bad wrestler. I just don't think his new character makes him a good wrestler either.

Also, I know why the wWE is targeting kids. Cos its them that make their parents buy stuff and where alot of money is. You've made that point plenty of times and I can't argue it. What I can argue is that if they pushed guys who appealed more to other demographics as well as have Cena high on the card they could get even more money.
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Also, I know why the wWE is targeting kids. Cos its them that make their parents buy stuff and where alot of money is. You've made that point plenty of times and I can't argue it. What I can argue is that if they pushed guys who appealed more to other demographics as well as have Cena high on the card they could get even more money.
That's part of it, but that's not all I said. As matter of fact, that's only part of the big picture. They're making wrestling mean something again, the attitude era destroyed that.
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I was actually going to start a 'Fuck Cena' club but TOWC R.K.O. came along...

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They aren't making wrestling mean something again. They are changing their market is all. I know all the shit about how the anti Cena guys will cheer for him to lose and thats what gets both markets. But I don't agree with it. I think that eventually anti Cena guys, older marks, will get tired of him and stop forking out for PPV's once they realize he has no chance of losing as long as he is in the WWE and not injured.

Like one of your guys said. "Cena does not lose championships, he goes on vacations". Eventually older anti Cena marks will realize that, and stop fucking caring and buying full stop.
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I don't know why all you guys say the Cena ONLY appeals to kids. I've been reading JR's site and other wrestling forums and I see almost as many grown men talk about how they like Cena and are complaining about anti-Cena marks saying that he only appeals to kids. I'm sure that there's more kids that like Cena than adults, but it's not just kids. If it was just kids why do whole arenas cheer for him? I've seen the shows, and they aren't only kids in them. So maybe you ***** marks should find a different point to argue than the whole kid thing.
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They aren't making wrestling mean something again. They are changing their market is all. I know all the shit about how the anti Cena guys will cheer for him to lose and thats what gets both markets. But I don't agree with it. I think that eventually anti Cena guys, older marks, will get tired of him and stop forking out for PPV's once they realize he has no chance of losing as long as he is in the WWE and not injured.

Like one of your guys said. "Cena does not lose championships, he goes on vacations". Eventually older anti Cena marks will realize that, and stop fucking caring and buying full stop.
You don't agree with it or you just don't get it? Plus, Cena appeals top grown ups also, they're just women.
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Point. I am neither a women nor a child. I do no like Cena. There are other markets outside of that that can be appealed to.

Also I do get that. I also think there is a finite limit for how long a strategy like that will work.
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Point. I am neither a women nor a child. I do no like Cena. There are other markets outside of that that can be appealed to.

Also I do get that. I also think there is a finite limit for how long a strategy like that will work.
We've been through this, you've already said you mark for Cena, you just don't want him as Champion, so I've caught you in that lie a day ago.

2) I think WWE knows, that the market that doesn't like Cena, is prbably some fat lonely guys who couldn't get laid in a 2 dollar whore house, if they had a pocket full of C-notes. They really don't need that market. Seeing as Cena just gave them their best year ever, just from women, kids, and real wrestling fans.
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Wow I don't like Cena. I must be fat and a virgin. Come on man, your better than that.

I do mark for Cena. But I don't mark for him as champion. I also marked for Cena alot more before he became lame. Just cos I occasionally mark for Cena, doesn't mean as a whole I like him. Fuck, I mark for HBK a fair bit, I now think the guy is a cunt and needs to learn to job. Still mark for him cos he can put on the odd good match though.
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Wow I don't like Cena. I must be fat and a virgin. Come on man, your better than that.

I do mark for Cena. But I don't mark for him as champion. I also marked for Cena alot more before he became lame. Just cos I occasionally mark for Cena, doesn't mean as a whole I like him. Fuck, I mark for HBK a fair bit, I now think the guy is a cunt and needs to learn to job. Still mark for him cos he can put on the odd good match though.
1.)That seems like the only guys who Boo Cena.

2.)Make up your damn mind.
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1) The WWE is unarguably becoming more aimed at kids. This means its more centered around John Cena, midget storylines, and lame kid humor. I don't like this. My take on wrestling is very similar to Jim Cornette's take in an interview he did. "I just want to see some fucking guys wrestle and talk about when they're going to wrestle". I don't think Cornette has really managed to bring this to TNA, but I do agree in the concept.
Cornette is washed up old hack. The reason WWE kicked him to the curb? He's a relic from a dead era. You're free to follow him to trashville if you find his particular brand of wrestling entertaining. Russo and Cornette, lmao. No wonder WWE is killing attitude.

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2) I know this is partially stealing from Stick's idea, but hey, I think I always believed it anyway, just didn't ever word it that well. Cena used to be a good wrestler in the eyes of what I find entertaining wrestling. Namely, he would cut very good promos about when he was going to wrestle, then he would wrestle with a variety of moves and it would entertain me. There is no denying that.
There is no denying that.

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3) I think Cena is now a crap wrestler who has gotten into using a boring and limited move set for cheap audience kiddie pops. His promos have also become stale and lame due to the WWE censoring them. Don't tell me that he can't cut some of the stuff he used to as a face, cos that's bull shit. I now think, in terms of what I like in wrestling, ***** is a superior wrestler to Cena.
What you like is irrelevant. He puts on the best matches, so your point is not only irrelevant, it's also wrong and ignorant.

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4) For the group that WWE wants to cater for though. Cena is the better wrestler. Because he has a move set based on cheap audience pops, can sell merchandise and PPV's to the kids. This has obviously became the main audience for the WWE at least in terms of the WWE title picture, so it makes sense for him to be on the top if that is what they want to do with their product.
Can't argue with that.

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5) I do not think that Cena should be on the top as much as he is with his current character. I think WWE could try and appeal, and get older audiences, back into wrestling if they had someone else up top, or if they let Cena cut some uncensored old school promos. But they don't want to so it won't happen. I think it is a shame they are increasingly isolating this market. But hey, I'll continue to watch as long as there are at least a decent amount of mid card proper wrestling storylines and wrestlers.
You'll continue to watch, and Vince doesn't have to do much. Genius.

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6) I believe that the Wrestlemania main event should not always be about the two guys who get the biggest draws filling the spot. Even though this makes safe sense financially. I think the spot occasionally needs to be used to take the risk of pushing a big star to the next level. Cos whilst it may be a slight risk to buy rates not having your two top draws in the WM main event, if the push for a younger guy pays off, then long terms you will have more guys who can draw huge money.
LMAO. WWE is a business.

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Your point doesn't even make sense.

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This is just what you think. Maybe you could back this up with some sort of data. I'm not sure you can. To say something as asinine as attendance rates should be less important is ridiculous. There's a reason why WWE does house shows. It makes them a lot of money. And it's all on the gate and merchandise lmao.

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8) Cena is better than ***** for the audience WWE wants to attract in this era. The kids. He is also a safe person to have at the top because he draws huge amounts of mainly kids to the show. But I think if the WWE took more risks with putting guys who appeal to different demographics on top, then they could have bigger audiences of a broader spectrum. But they won't cos Cena is a safe kid card, which is sad.
Those are the same kids that spend a thousand bucks to see Hanna Montana. Vince knows where the money is. Yep, we've shown you the light. Also, your point is rendered lame because ***** is the champ so you can't really say Vince doesn't push other guys. You should just come right out and say it. You're just jealous because Vince doesn't push ***** like Cena. Or maybe it's cause ***** isn't and never will be as over as Cena. Ether way, it's not Vince's problem because you'll keep tuning in anyway. And since WWE is coming off it's best year ever, you don't really have anything to back this claim up with.

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9) ***** has become better than Cena's current character in terms of what I consider good wrestling. Namely, solid and vicious promos, and good wrestling. That is why I have the right to not approve of what WWE is doing with their main title picture and the general slant of their product.
What you consider is irrelevant. Go watch ROH and shut up. Seriously, Vince doesn't need your approval on anything.
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You know you ***** marks might want too start a TOWC: Edge or some shit, because you guys really have no legs too stand on. I mean Hornswoggle will probably be more important to WWE than ***** after Mania is said and done.
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Brilliant post by Exo by the way..Why won't you ***** marks stop?
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