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Old 03 Dec 2007, 10:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow. I was actually thinking a match with Umaga and a more serious approach to his feud with Orton would help turn things around, but Jericho is just not over at the level of a main event baby face. It's really hard to deny that at this point. I think his big fans from the glory days are either people who have moved on to other things and aren't watching anymore, or they're people who have seen him have so many main event false starts that didn't end well that they don't want to get too into him. And I don't think Jericho has done anything memorable enough yet to make a lasting impression with the fans that are maybe younger and weren't watching when he was near the top the first time around.


Jeff Hardy is really a better bet for that spot at this point, and I think his likely program with Orton going into the Rumble will probably do better than this one has. The obvious test of Jericho's worth is going to be the Armageddon buy rate, as he's being hyped as a big deal (overly so, to a point that I think it may be turning people off) and the overall card is fairly strong in terms of fresh matches that are being given plenty of focus. Still, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jericho get some major boos at the PPV. He's better as a heel, and I think they're going to have to turn him after the PPV anyway to get anything out of him, and his chances are better there as well where he's not competing with Michaels and HHH for a spot.


I don't know what it is -- if it's a case of Jericho being seen as a has been, or as a guy who's overhyped, or that he's smaller/older/different looking than he used to be, or all of the above. He actually has looked about the same he always did in the ring (although he hasn't had to deliver a really long match yet), but his interviews I think have been a little rambling and too silly and wordy. To his credit, I do think he's trying very hard to not be a guy riding on his namesake or nostalgia, but the things he's trying don't really seem to be working.


Even the nostalgia factor doesn't seem that strong, as Jericho attempting the Walls (which Jim Ross actually called the Lion tamer) on Orton didn't even get a pop, and it's the first time he's tried the move since coming back.

Can't say it much better than that.
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Jericho's a beast.
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The hype around Jericho's return with the whole "Save Us" nonsense was just too much for Jericho to live up to and in all fairness not many can live up to such an immense amount of hype and suspense, except an elite few, i.e Triple H, The Rock and maybe *gags* Cena.

Jericho hasn't been too bad since his return, he just hasn't lived up to the amount of hype his return generated, which is not his fault, some just have that charisma to live up to the hype and some don't.
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I doubt it man, he isn't even that over..


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[B]The hype around Jericho's return with the whole "Save Us" nonsense was just too much for Jericho to live up to and in all fairness not many can live up to such an immense amount of hype and suspense,[/B ] except an elite few, i.e Triple H, The Rock and maybe *gags* Cena.

Jericho hasn't been too bad since his return, he just hasn't lived up to the amount of hype his return generated, which is not his fault, some just have that charisma to live up to the hype and some don't.

Which scream unswervingly to what I’ve been saying for years, the guy is just not a main event material? He had the biggest (re) debut in the history of the sport, and he couldn't deliver. He's again being exposed as nothing but an upper mid carder for life. He's not that strong a worker, and his promo skills are all rehashed shit from 2000. Nothing about him has changed, the guy is above average at best, but he's nothing special. Jeff Hardy is more over then him, and a superior worker. It won't be long before marks start screaming, "Turn him heel", that's where he SHINES~!”


The only thing Jericho has contributed to Raw is the code breaker, and the move doesn’t really look all that great. I think the guy shouldn't have been put in the main event scene so soon. It sounded good at the start, but now he's being exposed, I give a month or 2 before he's feuding with Kennedy.
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Randy Orton has less charisma than Y2J's toenail clippings.
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They've rushed things really. Throwing him straight into the main event limelight was a mistake, especially considering when he left he wasn't a main eventer, but a mid carder. Should have placed him in a feud with Hardy or maybe even Umaga to build his character back up and keep things at a steady pace and then just let someone else feud with Orton instead.
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They've rushed things really. Throwing him straight into the main event limelight was a mistake, especially considering when he left he wasn't a main eventer, but a mid carder. Should have placed him in a feud with Hardy or maybe even Umaga to build his character back up and keep things at a steady pace and then just let someone else feud with Orton instead.
Why? What would you be saving him for? Last night he was in a match with Umaga, and it was going well, until Orton showed up and took the piss out of the crowd Who else would even be fueding with Orton now. The guy is so lackluster that every fued the guy has been in is so formulaic and boring. HBK v Orton for the 500th time???
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Why? What would you be saving him for? Last night he was in a match with Umaga, and it was going well, until Orton showed up and took the piss out of the crowd Who else would even be fueding with Orton now. The guy is so lackluster that every fued the guy has been in is so formulaic and boring. HBK v Orton for the 500th time???
The reason would be that Jericho just ain't cutting it right now. Hes good, always a welcome addition to the WWE, but he wasn't main event status when he left and he isn't now, yet they've just almost practically thrown him into the main event limelight right off the bat when his character is not ready and needs to built up again. Right now Jericho is how Edge used to be, a good mid carder, but Edge's character was built up and now he rollin' with the main eventers. Jericho needs to go through the same process as Edge, so his character can be re-built and so that he'll look like a genunine contender for the strap, cause hey, lets be honest we all know he'll job to Orton and then he'll go staright back to playing with mid carders once more, which will make his over-hyped return a waste.

A feud with Umaga would have been idle. Umaga been bringing mayhem of sorts in the WWE as of late, hes a monster heel and they could have had Jericho save us from Umaga. Jericho's feud with Kane was a great and that could have been on that level if done right.

Triple H vs Orton may not have been too bad. Everyone wants Triple H to turn heel, but the turn could have waited a little longer for the benefit of the feud.
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Randy Orton has less charisma than Y2J's toenail clippings.
Not really. Randy Orton is over.
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So if he's in the midcard in a month his return is a waste, but somehow if he's in the midcard right now it wouldn't be? Umaga doesn't need Jericho, Orton does. Orton is dead in the water. They have to feed him new people all the time. Right now, Jericho is the biggest thing happening in WWE. Right now, having him in a fued with the champion is the only way to keep the belt from taking second place to Trips and co. Right now, if Y2J is in a high profile fued with Umaga, you're looking at Orton taking a backseat to HHH, HBK, Umaga, Y2J and Hardy, at least. And again, who else outside of that list is going to put together a decent title story right now with Orton? Hornswaggle? Cody Rhodes? C'mon man, all this talk is crazy. This is the story that has to play right now, and for the coming months. And until trips decides it's time to take the belt back or Cena comes headhunting, it's pretty much going to stay this way


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It's obvious that Armageddon is going to end with some screwjob finish and Jericho will be back in the upper-midcard to stay come January.
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Why? What would you be saving him for? Last night he was in a match with Umaga, and it was going well, until Orton showed up and took the piss out of the crowd Who else would even be fueding with Orton now. The guy is so lackluster that every fued the guy has been in is so formulaic and boring. HBK v Orton for the 500th time???
Exo, the crowd was never in to that match...Really.

Jericho hit all his usual spots, and all. But the crowd never really responded to that match, until Orton came in.

Here's the proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9p5LrYZbEU


I'm pretty sure a feud with Orton/Hardy would do better business, then Orton/Jericho. Which doesn't say much about Jericho.


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That was a great match. Jericho made Umaga look like a beast. He sold everything. Too bad Orton had to ruin what could have been a great ending.
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It wasn't bad, but it was far from great, and the crowd wasn't in to it. I doubt Jericho made Umaga look like a beast, the guy has been looking like a beast for a year and half.
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Yeah, but only against Cena, Jeff Hardy...and now Jericho.
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