Top 5 overrated/underrated wwf/e stars ever!!!

[Edge head]

Here is my list of both the top 5 overrated and underrated stars in WWE history. I am prepared to take the persistent upbraiding from many people, but oh well.

Top 5 overrated

1. Hulk Hogan- Yes, the man possessed a tremendous deal of charisma and could enliven a crowd with one simple clenching of his fists. Yes, he is probably the greatest and most significant sports entertainer of all time and revolutionized wrestling as a grand form of entertainment. However, people forget that Hogan was egotistical and self centered for someone who could not carry a stellar "wrestling" match if the moon fell out of the sky and knocked him on the head. The man's finisher appears as though an old lady slipped on a banana peel and fell and his most complex wrestling maneuver was a two armed closeline. Otherwise, he was all glory and no substance. Most of all, he remains fortunate that other sincere superstars like Macho Man, HBK, Paul Orndorff, Sgt. Slaughter and a convoy of others were willing to carry his burden in order to provide audiences with a fulfilling wrestling match.
2. Ultimate Warrior- If Hogan's skills wrestling ability would be deemed as skimpy, Warrior's wrestling ability can be construed as virtually nonexistent simply because he did not resemble a wrestler. Instead, he represented a steriod driven, psychotic, obscure minded, sideshow freak who was a complete disgrace to the art of wrestling. If you want proof to substantiate the fact that Warrior was a terrible wrestler, watch his DVD or better yet, take heed of the fact that
Randy Savage had to literally script their WrestleMania 7 match step by step for it to appear as a wrestling match instead of a bull fight like the savage creature Ultimate Warrior wants.
3. Jake the Snake Roberts- The man never held a title because he was probably never worthy of one. His finisher was a pedestrian wrestling maneuver called the DDT. Wow, my mind is streaming after witnessing such an innovative finisher. Most of all, he needed a presence of a snake to get in a few pops to his disengaging and bland matches due to his trite wrestling style. That drug addict, dipsomaniac fool clearly did not deserve an exclusive DVD because his wrestling ability was just like his drugs:depressing.
4. John Cena- A complete ripoff of the Rock. Just like the Rock, he slways tries to refer to the "people", but the people obviously possess little regard for a cipher street trash thug wannabe and his 5 wrestling maneuvers. He should take Tazz's advice to Coach: go back to wrestling school and learn your 6th wrestling move. His wrestling moves are simply a microcosm of his gimmick: cheap, underdeveloped, and brash. It is because of people like him that WWE is losing their credibility, which eventually paves the way for talented superstars like Jericho and Christian to walk out of the door.
5. Ric Flair- Yes, Ric Flair is the "Babe Ruth of Wrestling" and the "Dirtiest Player in the Game." yes, Ric Flair is one of the greatest wrestlers ever and he has given his heart and soul to the business. However, Ric Flair has stayed way past his prime for selfish reasons. He did not stay because he loves his fans;instead, he stayed because he needed to pay off his exorbitant debts. Personal issues aside, Ric Flair has always wrestled a predictable and laggard paced style of match that Bret Hart once referred to as "contrived bullshit." His title as the "Nature Boy" is simply a copycat of another legend who utilized that name. His figure four lock is clearly not as techically marveling as a Valentine, Santana, Jarrett, and host of others who used it in the past. Basically, Ric Flair evinces a patchwork quilt of gimmicks, icons, ideas, and movies in wrestling that have worked in the past. There is nothing real distinctive,unique, or exciting about Ric Flair's wrestling skills other than the fact he keeps on living in the past and reminding everyone that he is the 16 time World Champion. Bruhaha!!!!

Top 5 underrated

1. Rey Mysterio Jr. Even though many people regard him as a hardy, intelligent, and classic wrestler, it just seems that he does not get enough respect mainly due to his size. I doubt there are many wrestlers in the history of the business who can absorb more punishment and sell inflicted punishment better than this little man with a giant heart. He used to be called a "spot monkey". but he has worked on polishing his skills and adapting his wrestling talents to efficaciously manipulate various styles of wrestling. He is probably the most provocative, exciting, and technically adept wrestlers the business has ever witnessed. The scary thing is that Rey is only 31 and his best years are ahead of him.

2. Greg the Hammer Valentine The true master of the figure four leglock and the best wrestler never to don a world title. Even though his methodical and rugged wrestling style did not give him the greatest fan support, nobody can ever doubt the Hammer's superlative wrestling ablity through his diverse attacks in which he could defeat the opponent by a submission or even a pinfall through the nail biting maneuver called the Hammer. Just like a genuine technical master, his best work in a given match always came towards the latter half of the match like a novel building up to its climax. He never recieved te apprecation he deserved, which is an absolute travesty because he is one of the greatest techinical artists ever. His matches with Steamboat, Piper, and Savage are indicative of how classic and tremendous of a wrestler he was.
3. Edge Even though you may despise him for the Matt Hardy fallout, you cannot take away from the fact that he is an excellent wrestler. He has exhibited brilliance in the tag team division,mid-card, and heavyweight ranks with classic matches galore whether single or tag team. Nobody can forget the titallating TLC matches, the groundbreaking Ladder match at W21, the brutal Last Man Standing match with Benoit, the fantastic street fight with HBK, or the keystone steel cage matches with Angle, Kane, and Matt Hardy. There have been very few superstars who have excelled near the level of Edge in major match stages than the crafty Edge.
4. William Regal-Another technical wizard who does not garner the respect he deserves despite being one of the most methodically adroit and mechically polished wrestlers in the business. Regal has always demanded the greatest possible effort from his opponent and his uncanny intensity makes every match worth watching-especially his matches versus Beniot where he makes it standard to bleed from his forehead. Not to mention he was one of the bright spots for WCW in their falling days. Regal has proven to be a worthy champion and an ultra-resistent ruthless SOB that warrants respect from everyone.

5. Iron Sheik Even though he is a hall of famer and he recieved notoriety for putting Hulk over in the company, people rarely talk about the fact that he invented a deadly move like the Camel Clutch or that he delivered some of the most seasoned and crisp suplexes of any wrestler in WWE/WWF history. Maybe because is Irani and utters the awesome line of "Russia #1, Iran #1, USA pooh pooh." Aside from his political beliefs, Iran Sheik could carry a match on his shoulders whether he was tagging with Volkoff or whether he was facing Hogan. Most of all, he was a class person, engaging entertainer, and vintage wrestler.

[CK]

you have Flair as over-rated and Rey as underrated?

you're kidding right?

I agree with almost all of your over-rated list....however the DDT is an integral part of wrestling. You gotta recognize that.

Edge doesn't belong on either list....

On a non thread related note, I'm having trouble deciding if you're 12 or just ignorant. You have moments where you look like you might have quality goin on.....then I dunno, maybe someone distracts you with something shiney.....but it goes horribly astray.

[The Glue]

Greg "The Hammer" was underrated?? He was the shit...and back when he was actually young enough to wrestle, everyone knew it. If by underrated you mean he never got a run with the strap...he was at one point the Intercontinental Champion when the belt was actually worth something.



Late.

[Edge head]

Originally Posted by Miller

you have Flair as over-rated and Rey as underrated?

you're kidding right?

I agree with almost all of your over-rated list....however the DDT is an integral part of wrestling. You gotta recognize that.

Edge doesn't belong on either list....

On a non thread related note, I'm having trouble deciding if you're 12 or just ignorant. You have moments where you look like you might have quality goin on.....then I dunno, maybe someone distracts you with something shiney.....but it goes horribly astray.

I admit I have been an ASSHOLE at times.Sorry to everyone I offended

[DMac]

Ric Flair is greatness. And as for the Bret Hart quote, He complains about everyone and everything so it has no validity.
Im not sure where you're coming from on the Mysterio thing. Hes clearly being well utalized and the fans love him.

heres my list. I am working from a point of being pushed as opposed to what fans like or dislike.
over rated
1. JBL- I'd admit that he has improved his charisma greatly in the past year, but when he won the belt he had almost nothing going for him. Learn some moves.
2. Goldberg- He came around at the right time for WCW and looked the part. His run in WWE was poorly timed and got stale in a month. Hes the olny wrestler that ive ever like more in the movies than in the ring.
3. Hogan- Just as Goldberg, right time and big hype. But just a puppet. But he did know how to work a crowd.
4. Cena- nothing to say that you dont know.
5. HHH- Im gonna get some heat for this but IM RIGHT! Trips is on his way to beating the title reigns record and he is in no way as good as all that. I like his style but his mic hogging is increadibly long winded and he does a lot of stupid shit.

Under rated
1. Steven Rchards- RTC showed how great of a heel he can be but he was never booked into a decent match at the time.
2. Victoria- face it, the womens division is a dead end job. Now more than ever they need to involve more talented women in real matches.
3. William Regal- just what you said, bro. I'd also add that he can really build his matches with the heat between himself and his opponents.
4. Dean Melinko- they gave him nothing to work with

[Ric Flair]

Originally Posted by A Dumbass

5. Ric Flair- Yes, Ric Flair is the "Babe Ruth of Wrestling" and the "Dirtiest Player in the Game." yes, Ric Flair is one of the greatest wrestlers ever and he has given his heart and soul to the business. However, Ric Flair has stayed way past his prime for selfish reasons. He did not stay because he loves his fans;instead, he stayed because he needed to pay off his exorbitant debts. Personal issues aside, Ric Flair has always wrestled a predictable and laggard paced style of match that Bret Hart once referred to as "contrived bullshit." His title as the "Nature Boy" is simply a copycat of another legend who utilized that name. His figure four lock is clearly not as techically marveling as a Valentine, Santana, Jarrett, and host of others who used it in the past. Basically, Ric Flair evinces a patchwork quilt of gimmicks, icons, ideas, and movies in wrestling that have worked in the past. There is nothing real distinctive,unique, or exciting about Ric Flair's wrestling skills other than the fact he keeps on living in the past and reminding everyone that he is the 16 time World Champion. Bruhaha!!!!

Selfish Reasons? Yes, I suppose the fact that fans still love to watch his matches, hear his interviews, and watch him strut is a selfish reason. Staying because he still desires to maintain a certain standard of living is not selfish, and only welfare line waiting, dumbasses dont understand that. Bret Hart has no room to call Ric Flair anything but Daddy. If you want to talk about contrived Bullshit, watch any match that Bret Hart Wrestled as champion. The last five minutes were the same moves, in the same order. Plus Bret wouldnt lose in Canada? That would be like Flair syaing he'd never lose in Carolina, or Austin never losing in Texas...theres contrived bullshit. "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers was great, but I'm not sure how many people will remember him years from now...matter of fact, not too many people know who he is today...Also, Ric Flair made 'Nature Boy' a household name, and Buddy Rogers didnt. Also, Ric Flair beat Buddy Rogers in a match (essentially) for the title of "Nature Boy" Ric beat him in three minutes using the figure four...so if Buddy aint upset, why are you? Umm...RIc Flair was using the Fugure Four while Jarrett was still sucking at his mothers teat...Santana was a jobber when Flair was Mid Atlantic Champion and Valentine did it the same way Flair did...I dunno what the point you were trying to make was there. Ric Flair is indeed a patchwork of other ideas, but the genius lies in the fact that he took everything the other people did, put it all together and did it better than anyone else ever could or will. His style of dressing and giving promos has been copied by some many people you couldnt count it, and his style of wrestling ass heel has been copied by so many people you cnat count it. But guess what? Its good for business. To be great, you learn from those who are great. Flair ahs said that himself. And at least Flair has given credit to those he borrowed from. I dont see anyone else admitting that...Flair has a way of doing things in the ring that makes him incredibly exciting to watch look at the chop (what happens when anyone gets chopped in any arena in the country? WOOOOOO). RIc Flair is and was greatest Wrestler in History. He has the ability to draw based solely on RIc Flair. He put on a helluva show with HHH in a last man standing match, he made Edge in a ladder match and even though we all knew that he was gonna lose in the Road to 'Mania tournament, he still made everyone think that he was this close to making it there...

In short...You cant say Ric Flair is overrated...You cant measure Ric Flair as a wrestler...because he IS the measuring stick...WOOOOOOOOOO!

[The Glue]

Originally Posted by DMac

over rated
1. JBL- I'd admit that he has improved his charisma greatly in the past year, but when he won the belt he had almost nothing going for him. Learn some moves.

I disagree with this and HHH...I think JBL has been a much needed breath of fresh air...his gimmick is straight platinum. Maybe it's just me but I think he's money...it was almost like pulling a legit contender out of thin air...I think we were all so used to "Bradshaw" that when he came out as JBL it was...

But I think he's awesome.

And HHH...I remember WWE without HHH. It was god awful. It was horrendous. It was so much more lame than anything WWE has shown you all in the last year. Even when incredible stars like The Rock and Austin were taking the lead for the company...I still sat and waited and waited for HHH to come back. HHH is the WWE. Even with this...approach he's taken to his career...mixing Armani suits with Lemmy's handlebar/sideburn mustache......even with this completely weird approach he's taken, even with his promos that take two segments of the show...(HHH is really on a roll here...we'll be back folks...welcome back...we're joining HHH's promo in progress...), HHH = Good TV.



Brock Lesnar is the most underrated ever...the fact that every wrestling fan in the world doesn't mark out for him is evidence of this...

Late.

[xer0]

Originally Posted by The Glue

Brock Lesnar is the most underrated ever...the fact that every wrestling fan in the world doesn't mark out for him is evidence of this...

Late.

I dislike Lesnar...I'd rather just see him stay in Japan and wither away while he waits for his no-compete clause to expire..

I'm definately in the minority...but its how I feel.

[DMac]

Originally Posted by The Glue

I disagree with this and HHH...I think JBL has been a much needed breath of fresh air...his gimmick is straight platinum.

I do like JBLs gimmick and as i said, he does have a great charisma. I just dont care for his wrestling. As for HHH, dont get me wrong- I actually DO LIKE HHH!
Both of these wrestlers have there place, it's where they are now- lingering somewhere between mid-card and champion status.

[CK]

I fuckin hate JBL....he's still just fuckin Bradshaw.

No talent whatsoever

[Trevelbond]

Originally Posted by Miller

I fuckin hate JBL....he's still just fuckin Bradshaw.

No talent whatsoever

I guess you change the channel when you see him on the screen, so you wouldn't know that his promos are absolute gold. I personally can't wait till he holds the title again.

[CK]

Originally Posted by Trevelbond

I guess you change the channel when you see him on the screen, so you wouldn't know that his promos are absolute gold. I personally can't wait till he holds the title again.

promos do NOT equate to in ring ability

[Trevelbond]

Originally Posted by Miller

promos do NOT equate to in ring ability

His in ring work really wasn't all that bad. I'm not sure that you're giving him a chance.

[Smigs]

Bradshaw’s southern style fucking owns. And add the fact he’s willing to bump hard and cuts the best promo in Professional wrestling today easily puts him top 5 best all round wrestlers in the WWE at the moment. He’s so underrated by the “smart” internet fans.

As other underrated wrestlers go

Hogan
His gimmick limited him in the ring but his earlier work from down south and Japan proves he could cut it in the ring

Goldberg
Internet fans seem to forget his WCW PPV and AJPW work. Great Selling, good submission work, Most devastating looking moves in the biz at the time, the agility of a cruiser and then drawing ability of Hogan and Austin.

HHH
His in ring work at least. Honestly his work from 2000 was the best I’ve seen from any wrestler ever. His match at Fully Loaded against Jericho will forever remain the one of greatest North American matches of all time. And he’s still going strong.

Mark Henry
Honestly, he plays his character to perfection. He looks mean, performs some pretty hard looking moves and genuinely looks like a threat everytime he gets into the ring.

Jeff Jarrett
While he's not in the WWE, he sill deserves loads of credit. He's the Best heel in America today. His Non Kayfabe promos are stella and he’s still great in the ring. I mean look at his match last night with Christian. Great **** match with a guy who has really done anything decent in ring since Mania 20. Oh and he took Nash to probably his best match of his whole carrier. That sign at one of the IMPACT tapings in December said it best, ‘Jarrett > “Smart” Internet Fans’

[CK]

Originally Posted by Smigs

Bradshaw’s southern style fucking owns. And add the fact he’s willing to bump hard and cuts the best promo in Professional wrestling today easily puts him top 5 best all round wrestlers in the WWE at the moment. He’s so underrated by the “smart” internet fans.

As other underrated wrestlers go

Hogan
His gimmick limited him in the ring but his earlier work from down south and Japan proves he could cut it in the ring

Goldberg
Internet fans seem to forget his WCW PPV and AJPW work. Great Selling, good submission work, Most devastating looking moves in the biz at the time, the agility of a cruiser and then drawing ability of Hogan and Austin.

HHH
His in ring work at least. Honestly his work from 2000 was the best I’ve seen from any wrestler ever. His match at Fully Loaded against Jericho will forever remain the one of greatest North American matches of all time. And he’s still going strong.

Mark Henry
Honestly, he plays his character to perfection. He looks mean, performs some pretty hard looking moves and genuinely looks like a threat everytime he gets into the ring.

Jeff Jarrett
While he's not in the WWE, he sill deserves loads of credit. He's the Best heel in America today. His Non Kayfabe promos are stella and he’s still great in the ring. I mean look at his match last night with Christian. Great **** match with a guy who has really done anything decent in ring since Mania 20. Oh and he took Nash to probably his best match of his whole carrier. That sign at one of the IMPACT tapings in December said it best, ‘Jarrett > “Smart” Internet Fans’

you're messin wit me....right?