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Is Goldberg good or does he suck?
View Poll Results: Is Goldberg a good wrestler?
Goldberg sucks ass 8 42.11%
Goldberg is a good wrestler 9 47.37%
Goldberg is ok, or I have no opinion either way 2 10.53%
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Old 17 May 2003, 09:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Is Goldberg good or does he suck?

Ok, looks like some particular individuals had an adverse reaction to my comments about Mr. Bill Goldberg. Now I want to just put this out there for public knowledge. I trust that the majority of the posters here are not marks or morons (although I'm sure some of those will flame like the bitches they are on this thread), so I think a poll should be a pretty good judge on this. The question is whether or not Bill Goldberg is a good wrestler. The factors that you should use to determine your vote are wrestling skill, match quality, mic skills, and charsima.

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Old 17 May 2003, 09:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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LOL....I'll let this shit stand....But J-Syxx...Physco and Rock...I want it to stay in these two threads you have goin'...I don't want it to boil over into a hate war between posters....

As far as Goldberg is concerned...It is easy to be the MVP of RAW when you are only booked to show up at RAW...Beat the livin' shit out of the talent...Made to look like a million bucks and then leave until next week's RAW comes around...

He does have an allure about him that makes people want to watch him....But like WCW...It will run out eventually...I will remains neutral...
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Old 17 May 2003, 10:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Nah, he isn't a good wrestler. Did you see that match at Backlash? Wowzers. I swear I almost fell asleep watching it, and I was at Hooters with like 100 or so people going crazy in my ear lol.


His mic skills are umm limited. I used to mark out for him, and he was one of the reasons I got back into wrestling in 99-00 (not sure what year it was). Then as I watched more and more, I started to like the stars that could perform in the ring. He has an aura about him, but I don't see why. He's hyped up and a lot of people cheer and go crazy over a spear and a jackhammer. Although I will say this. I prefer a Goldberg match anyday over a Hogan match
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Goldberg is a good curtain jerker.

I used to cheer him, but his Austin rip off looks, no ring skills, and tired act have bored me. He has proved he has no chrisma in that Universal Soldier movie he was in.

Plus I have herd things about him that just make me hate him more. Talking with a few wrestlers (One liked to dance to Disco on his way to the ring, and the other is Buff, the stuff, and the girls just can't get enough) he seems to be a total ass if he thinks your "beneith" him. Yet we all know even guys like Marc Henry, Big Show, and A-Train have much better ring skills than him.

My opion is Goldberg should be on the first match of Heat at the very most.
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Hes good but DAMN,hes too predictible.
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Old 18 May 2003, 02:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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His characters so flat you could pour water on it and a puddle would form..I think he still has the ring pressence though,albeit he's aiming to take Austin's top tier spot and he probably won't manage that.Add to that his no sells and I say he's deadweight before the year is out.
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There you have it.

He is not a "grappler" man. He is not Chris Benoit or Kurt Angle. He is not Ric Flair. So you cannot try to compare any wrestlers that are not in the same type of catagory. Stone Cold Steve Austin has wrestled for the better part of 15-18 years and his style is HIS STYLE a brawler style fight. Same with Goldberg. His wrestling style fits his persona and size. Just like the Undertaker. Just like HBK.

The bottom line is the WWE only has two real WRESTLER's and that is Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar. Everyone else is just ENTERTAINERS, even Chris Benoit, and I will firmly stand behind that until someone else achieves the same national recognition for Olympic Style Wrestling and not training in Stu Hart's Dungeon........or anywhere else.
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Yeah but Physco...No one ever accused the WWE of bein' a "True Wrestling" organization...We all know what we watch is Sports Entertainment...It's not real...It's choreograped...It's basically fake...

To turn around and say Kurt and Brock are wrestlers...While the rest of the talent are entertainers...It doesn't bring much of a point up...We know Kurt and Brock have been trained in the amatuer wrestling circle...While everyone else was trained in the "Pro Wrestling" circuit...

As far as the WWE is concerned....Benoit is a much better worker than Brock Lesnar...Now if you were to step out side the world of "Sports Entertainment" and head into the world of amateur wrestling...That is a whole different story...

It is the same in the music business...We don't judge actors who turn musicians by how well they act...We judge them by how well they sing...

Goldberg is easily allowed to be judged on the way he presents himself in the ring...We aren't talkin' about a real fight or a shoot...We aren't talkin' about Amateur Wrestlin'...We're talkin' about the WWE...Sports Entertainment..."Pro" Wrestling....And in pro wrestling...Everyone is on the same playing ground...
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Old 18 May 2003, 04:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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agreed, and you make a good point.

However this thread and poll was created after me ripping J-Suckdick to death on his own thread about Goldberg. My points are very valid because in that thread and basically in this one, he asks (says) that Goldberg is a sorry wrestler. My point is THE WHOLE FUCKING STAFF is "sorry wrestlers" in the purest form of the word (wrestler).

I of all people know and preach to the infidels that Wrestling is FAKE AND PRE-DETERMINED and therefor when some idiot gets lost in his own posts, about who sucks and who is bad ass or not, it depends on what you are asking and comparing. He compared Goldberg's wrestling ability to a WRESTLER and not a ENTERTAINER.

Now, with that in mind, is Goldberg better at grappling than Chris Benoit: NO.

Is he a better Ladder Match "wrestler" than HBK or the Hardy Boys: NO.

Is he a better Olympic or Amatuer style wrestler than Kurt or Brock: NO.

Does he use more holds and moves than X-Pac: Yes.

Is he better at his role than say Hurricane: Yes

Is he better at his role than The Rock: NO

Is he better at his role than Stone Cold: NO

Is he good at being Bill Goldberg: Yes

Is Bill Goldberg's character supposed to be Kurt Angles Character: NO
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I know this is a little off of the subject but why does everyone find it so difficult to spell Psycho's name correctly?
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agreed, and you make a good point.

However this thread and poll was created after me ripping J-Suckdick to death on his own thread about Goldberg. My points are very valid because in that thread and basically in this one, he asks (says) that Goldberg is a sorry wrestler. My point is THE WHOLE FUCKING STAFF is "sorry wrestlers" in the purest form of the word (wrestler).

I of all people know and preach to the infidels that Wrestling is FAKE AND PRE-DETERMINED and therefor when some idiot gets lost in his own posts, about who sucks and who is bad ass or not, it depends on what you are asking and comparing. He compared Goldberg's wrestling ability to a WRESTLER and not a ENTERTAINER.

Now, with that in mind, is Goldberg better at grappling than Chris Benoit: NO.

Is he a better Ladder Match "wrestler" than HBK or the Hardy Boys: NO.

Is he a better Olympic or Amatuer style wrestler than Kurt or Brock: NO.

Does he use more holds and moves than X-Pac: Yes.

Is he better at his role than say Hurricane: Yes

Is he better at his role than The Rock: NO

Is he better at his role than Stone Cold: NO

Is he good at being Bill Goldberg: Yes

Is Bill Goldberg's character supposed to be Kurt Angles Character: NO
I totally agree with everything you just said...Truth be told 100%
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Whoa, I never even noticed.......
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However this thread and poll was created after me ripping J-Suckdick to death on his own thread about Goldberg.
Yea, Psycho Gaywhore only in your own mind.

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Does he use more holds and moves than X-Pac: Yes.
Incorrect. Albert probably uses more moves than Goldberg. Sean Waltman's move list is quite large and varried.

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I of all people know and preach to the infidels that Wrestling is FAKE AND PRE-DETERMINED and therefor when some idiot gets lost in his own posts, about who sucks and who is bad ass or not, it depends on what you are asking and comparing. He compared Goldberg's wrestling ability to a WRESTLER and not a ENTERTAINER
Than why don't you go watch UFC instead. You are a walking contradiction. This is pro-wrestling. Pro-wrestling is its own animal. Its its own entity, it is judged by rules specific to it. Nooone gives a crap about how many people Goldberg could beat up in real life. Noone cares about what kind a guy Goldberg is when hes bar-hopping. Goldberg's ability to put on pro-wrestling matches (yes that are staged, Sherlock) is pretty dang poor and so is his show-manship. Wrestling fans got over the fact that it was fake a long time ago. Time to join the club.
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enough. I've merged 12 berg threads into one, and I'll do it again. don't use this forum to fan any flames.

Only thing I have to say on berg is, he needs to work more than one match a month. It's pathetic. regardless of all the talk, he can still get over big, but not if he's not in the ring. I don't care about mic, I don't care about having a 300 move list to fall back on. He needs to get in the ring. If he doesn't start, then he's gonna be forgotten real quick, and all the casual fans that would watch him again are just gonna leave.
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