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Old 11 May 2003, 03:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, for those of you who do not have the game SMACKDOWN "Shut Your Mouth" the storylines in the game start with the Smackdown/Raw draft with Vince and Flair. Just like in "real life (smirk)"

So basically the game storyline follows the real storylines to a degree. Then Stone Cold signs with Flair (or McMahon if you choose) on April 1st (April Fool's Day).

So back and forth, back and forth, they steal wrestler's from each other's shows and there is one title.

Then the grudge ends and they are partner's after you beat the nWo.

Now here is where I question this in accordance with the "real" WWE storylines.

You have to stand on the assumption that the game storylines follow what the actual storylines were supposed to be, but went different directions at some point.

Here is what I mean:

The nWo was not supposed to be so temparary. The injury to Kevin Nash, and the firing of Scott Hall (who is not in the game) and eventually X-pac deminished the nWo. If this thing's wheels did not get shot the hell off by Kevin Nash, then it really could have gone somewhere.

Stone Cold Steve Austin leaving. DUH.

Eric Bischoff signing. I do not think that the writing team, nor the WWE was really ready for Eric, since the storylines were so scrambled after his signing, and Stone Cold leaving.

Brock Lesnar push, and the length of time it took up.

Undertaker on his "maternity" leave.

1/2 of the new four horsemen (not a well thought out idea either) leaving due to injuries. DX or the return of the nWo would have gone off way better.

The flop of Scott Steiner

HHH holding the fucking belt FOREVER because he is engaged or whatever to Stephanie.

Stone Cold coming back.

The complete failure of the HBK/HHH storyline. Basically, they have no where to go with it now. Again, DX or redoing the nWo would have been far better.

The push of the looserweight division has taken air time from the real stars.

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So these things, all happened like a domino affect, basically starting with the failure of the nWo and Stone Cold leaving.

Which on the game, does not happen. So what direction do you think this all would have gone, if those two things had not happened?
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Well we are basin' our assumptions on the fact that Steve Austin left because of the nWo...When in fact differentiating reports have stated that Austin left becuase of his neck and the Brian Gerwitz (Creative Team) situtation...Which in fact tied into the handling of the nWo and Austin....So if we do infact agree that Austin left because of the nWo...And Nash and Hall do not get injured/released....Here is my take...

(Note:This is MY fantasy booking of the situation...The WWE Creative Team Would Have Done Something Completely retarted...As well...My memory is somewhat off as far as chronlogy of events...)

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February/March '02: Vince McMahon declares he is goin' to kill the WWE...He claims he is going to bring in the nWo...

No Way Out '02: The nWo Debut....Hogan, Hall and Nash cost Stone Cold Steve Austin the title in the Main Event Match against Chris Jericho

Build Up To Wrestlemania: Scott Hall and Steve Austin go into a program....While Kevin Nash is injured....The Rock challenges Hulk Hogan to a match at Wrestlemania XVIII (Icon Vs. Icon)

Wrestlemania XVIII: Scott Hall Vs. Steve Austin...Austin goes over Hall killing any heat/push the nWo had garnered....In a stunning moment....The 78,000 Candian Fans (I Was One Of Them) pull a 180 degree turn and cheer Hogan while booing the Rock....Hogan milks the crowd by pulling out his "Hulkamania" bag of tricks...i.e. His Famous Hulk Up...Rock wins nonetheless and even furthers destroys any heat the nWo had had....Nash and Hall attack Hogan...And Rock goes for the save....The nWo has been dismantled only after one month in the WWE....


***Here We Must Decide Whether Hogan's face turn is set in stone or not...If Hogan doesn't turn heel...And continues to be apart of the nWo...Drastic Changes as far as storylines...

RAW After Wrestlemania: Hogan comes out to a monsterous ovation...Montreal turns Hogan face while addin' to the feeling Rocky should be or is a heel character...

***My memory becomes hazy...

Smackdown: In the main event match...X-Pac returns and joins the nWo...

***Hall is released by the WWE...The Big Show is also added into the group

RAW: Kevin Nash proclaims Shawn Michaels to become part of the group...

RAW: Booker T is kicked out of the group...

***The nWo ask HHH to become part of the group...

RAW: In the Main Event....Kevin Nash tears his quad....Shelvin' himself for 8-9 months....HBK gets on the mic and still continues the nWo/HHH storyline...

RAW: Vince McMahon proclaims to have killed the nWo....


*ALTERNATE STORYLINE*

This is where I'm assumin' Taylor that the storylines cut off...Everything else prior to this is set in stone....(To Be Continued...)
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You are right on the money right now.

However, this is where I point out the inconsistancies of the WWE storylines. Booker T should have never been nWo. That was thrown together at the last minute obviously. Hell, they slipped and STUMBLED on Booker T/Golddust combo, they never thought that would stick.

We all know Austin did not leave because of the nWo, and the storylines did not dictate that either. They scrambled three times to figure out what to do. The nWo could have been fine after WM17. Regrouped and came back.

It could have gone down like this: Keeping to the same roster and not adding anyone that was not added.

Keep Hall, Nash in a non-wrestling role until his quad healed (he would only have missed two months if you just used him as they did when he first debuted with the nWo.

HBK assumes the leader roll after Hogans turned face. The additions of X-Pac and Big Show would have made this go fine, and then they still could have lead into the HBK/HHH storyline, with HHH as the face and nWo as the heels. Then their true mission would have been correct, which was to go through each WWE superstar. 1. Stone Cold 2. Rock 3. HHH 4. Hogan (face) 5. Undertaker

However, the addition of HHH to the nWo, would have set their dominance like this:

Tag Titles: Nash/X-pac or Nash/Big Show
WWE Title:HBK
Random Title (IC, Hardcore) :HHH

and it could have gone anywhere. Not to mention that IF, Stone Cold did not leave, there is no limit to where Stone Cold/Hogan, or Stone Cold/nWo, Stone Cold/HBK, or Stone Cold and HHH/nWo could have gone.

If you follow the game, it ends the separate brand extentions. Which I think is what ultimately was was on the board for last year, until all the storylines got fucked due to injuries. Then the abrupt signing of Eric Bischoff, forced them to rethink the brand split and ride that horse as long as they could, then they signed Scott Steiner, then Stone Cold came back and then was injured, and then finally Goldberg. Now they have so much tallent, that they are having a difficult time putting together the storylines. They need ONE HUGE storyline (nWo) and the smaller ones to take the place of the lame ass Torrie Wilson storyline (to mention one pointless storyline)..
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come on, I got an hour here, everyone has ideas, so lets put what we know happened to what could have happened.

Again, in the game, if we are assuming that is the way it was going to go down, ends with Vince beating Flair for full control of the WWE, which did happen, but without the end to the brand split which was lengthened by the McMahon/Flair fued. It would have ended the brand split there, if McMahon did not sign Bischoff and not have anything to do with him. So they continued and added Stephanie.

Now, with all that has been added to Raw, Smackdown sucks. Honestly, it does. Take away Brock, and what do you have?
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Yeah I see what you are sayin'....Well this is how I would do it...As far as continuin' the storyline...

Keep in mind my assumptions: Scott Hall is never released by the WWE...Kevin Nash never gets injured...Eric Bischoff is still brought in some role/capacity...Steve Austin walks out the second time (For 8 or so months...And does return later on)...The Rock leaves to make a movie...And Hogan has a sustained face turn....Steiner and Goldberg are eventually signed...And finally...Maybe the biggest Assumption... The brand split was going to be put to an end at Wrestlemania XIX....
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*ALTERNATE STORYLINE*

RAW:Kevin Nash does not tear his quad....nWo defeat Dudley Boyz and Kane (I believe it was Kane)....HBK gets on the mic and asks HHH for a decision...

Smackdown: The Rock along with Hogan...Tell HHH that he does not need the nWo...And to side with the WWE...HHH still does not make a decision...Vince names GM for the Roster Split....Stephanie McMahon...

RAW: Vince McMahon announces GM for RAW...Shane McMahon (Will become apparent at end of roster split)

***Leads to next PPV....

PPV: Team nWo Vs. Hogan/Rock/HHH....Last miuntes of match...Chaos...Referee is knocked out...HHH slides into ring with steel chair...Looks as if he is goin' to hit Michaels but instead nails Rock....HHH joins the nWo...Rock leaves to go to Hollywood...

RAW: nWo along with HHH shoot about how they are the kliq and add a new member...Eric Bischoff....Vince comes out and berates the nWo...How could they bring Bischoff in after what he did to the WWF...Nash powerbombs Vince and ends the relationship between WWE and the nWo....

***Now...The real nWo Vs. WWE Feud begins...Over next few months...The nWo is put into feuds with Jericho... Undertaker... Angle...Seemigly destroyin' them at every turn they get...Shane and Steph call for the two brands to unite as one....Vince says the WWE will not fall prey to the nWo....

****HHH is the World Champion from Wrestlemania XVIII....And The Elimination Chamber is still added to the Survivor Series Card...The match is changed to a WAR GAMES Style...Team nWo Vs. Team WWE....Scott Steiner debuts and joins the nWo....


(To Be Continued)
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now that is what the hell I am talking about. I love it. Most importantly, it tied together the rumors from last year, that got scrapped (the uniting of the two brands against something that would tear down the WWE). I can't wait to see what you have next.

The only thing that I think the nWo would have taken away from would be the Undisputed Title chase (because at that time, the belt was undisputed, and the Steph/Eric fued begot the two belts).
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*ALTERNATE STORYLINE* Continued

Armageddon: Numerous tune-up matches begin as The Road To Wrestlemania draws near...Brock Lesnar is not pushed at The Next Big Thing due to the nWo...Benoit and Angle do not have their classic set of matches between the two...

RAW:Shane McMahon announces that the Brand Split will come to an end...And that Stephanie and himself will rejoin the WWE back as one...Eric and the nWo obliterate Shane...And promise a big suprise for next week....

Smackdown: Vince has security for Stephanie as the nWo tease of their plan for RAW....Stephanie still claims RAW And Smackdown have ended the brand split....And Jericho...Angle and The Undertaker will on RAW....

RAW: The Whole Arena is bitch black...Except for a small spotlight in the middle of the ring...Eric Bischoff stands in the middle of the ring smiling....He says he has a big suprise planned for the WWE and planned especially for RAW...The fans are at a fevered pitch because they know...Eric Bischoff announces...."Welcome to WCW NITRO!!!!!"....Fireworks explode and the set of WCW Nitro is in the place of WWE's RAW....

Smackdown: Stephanie and Vince are in shock...They announce that at Wrestlemania...There will be a title unification bout if infact Kurt Angle...Current Smackdown Champion can win the 30 Man Elimination Match at the Royal Rumble...

Royal Rumble: 30 Man Elimination Match....Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash are one of the last competitors...HBK and Jericho have eliminated each other....The Undertaker returns and elminates Kevin Nash...He then eliminates himself...So indeed...Kurt Angle will infact meet HHH to unify the two titles at Wrestlemania.... Also...The Rock WILL Return at No Way Out...

NITRO:Bischoff is enraged Angle won the Royal Rumble...The nWo has their own suprise for NWO....

NWO: Main Event Match....Hulk Hogan Vs. Kevin Nash....Guest referee HHH....The Rock's music hits...The fans cheer widly...*The WWE holds off of his Hollywood gimmick*....He rushes the ring with a WWE T-Shirt....He has a Steel-Chair in hand....Rock raises the chair BUT nails Hulk Hogan over the head...The fans are shocked...Rock takes off his WWE T-Shirt to show an nWo T-Shirt....HHH....Rock and Kevin Nash stand victorious in the ring...

NITRO:Rock comes out to a chorus of boos...He states why he joined the nWo....That the fans wanted The Rock to save the WWE from the nWo....But it was the fans who booed The Rock at Wrestlemania XVIII....In favor of Hogan and the nWo....

Smackdown: Wrestlemania is hyped...

NITRO:The matches for Wrestlemania XIX are announced

World Title Unification Match

HHH Vs. Kurt Angle

Rematch From Wrestlemania XVIII

THE ROCK Vs. Hulk Hogan


Shawn Michaels Vs. Chris Jericho


Kevin Nash Vs. Undertaker


Booker T Vs. Scott Hall


Chris Benoit Vs. Scott Steiner

Kane/RVD Vs. Big Show/X-Pac


(To Be Continued)
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you are forgeting that there would not be two belts if Brock did not go to Smackdown. .
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I wish some other posters were in on this too, so we could debate some of this.

Brock took the title from Rock right? So in doing so, began the Brock and Undertaker storyline, which later became Brock/Big Show, then Undertaker vs. Big Show, and Brock vs. Angle, and Brock vs. Heyman.

So in doing what you said, Brock would still take the title from Rock and Rock would go make movies as usual. The team WWE would be Brock, Angle, and Undertaker with Benoit and Jericho (who would have to turn face) in supporting roles.

I like it. However, again HHH did not come back and did not get his title until Bischoff gave it to him.
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Well I think that is my one flaw...I have taken the actual storyline and intertwined it with my storyline...And it hasn't added up right...

Hmm...Let me think...The events which pertain to Smackdown still occur...Only...At a different time than the normal timeline....So Brock jumps ship to Steph's Smackdown while leavin' Shane in the dust....Shane than playing the role of Bischoff....Gives HHH The World Title...So I can still fit in the TWO World Titles and continue on with the nWo Storyline...I think I have covered myself...

Edit: Physco...I Will Sticky This...It's a good thread....
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Yea Physco...I think I made the mistake of makin' Rock leave before he dropped the title to Brock...Hmmm...Well maybe in the Triple Threat Match between Kurt/Rock/Undertaker....Rock does not win the strap...But it goes to either Undertaker or Angle...Who then can fill the void...And allows Rock to leave after the PPV withouth havin' to face Brock....
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So with the nWo still in existance after WM17, Rock still had the title right (I am a little lost now, after Rock/Hogan) Hogan was dropped, HBK was added. Then the next week, Booker was dropped, and Big Show was added. Leaving:

HHH (still not back until around Christmas 2002)
HBK-head of nWo
Big Show-nWo
X-Pac-nWo
Scott Hall-nWo never released
Nash-nWo (and injury pending, even if he did get injured, still nWo)

Rock never drops the belt to Brock, instead we say Undertaker. If we still go with Steve Austin leaving in June, Undertaker gets the huge WWE champ push, then Brock takes the title, is on Raw, with Shane as GM.

nWo still introduces Eric Bischoff as their rouge GM and nWo.

Brock turns on Shane, goes to Smackdown. There will be no title push for Undertaker now, because he is going to have a baby. So the Undertaker push against Brock would wind up being Brock against Angle (cancelling the WM18 main event) which would eventually play into the team WWE against the nWo at WM18. Also, Brock can't "retire" Hogan either. You would need Hogan, Brock and Angle all on Smackdown for this to come to fruition.

HHH returns in December, HBK/nWo/HHH program begins.

HHH turns nWo (with your storyline) and they all turn on Shane and basically run both shows against the WWE and Vince.

Now that laid down. Let's put that in cronological order. We have to work in:

Scott Steiner (which you did above, but I need to re-read)
Stone Cold coming back (could not sit at home and watch the nWo who "ran him off" completely take over the WWE)
Goldberg (premeres as a face)
Nash (because we know he did get injured and came back this last month) I am assuming that they still use him in a non-wrestling roll because we work on the premise that the nWo was not abolished.

How come the WWE writers can not come up with something this fucking good? Seriously? I have a degree in psychology, and I am not sure what your background is, but to my knowledge, neither of us are even paid professionals. Makes you wonder.......
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another option: just thought of, around Christmas 2002, when HBK and HHH program started. If they DID reintroduce DX lead by HHH against the nWo lead by HBK. Just a thought.

Of course the original DX would have to be altered, no X-Pac, no Road Dogg, No Chyna (like who cares), and obviously no HBK. However, it leaves the door open for Nash to get injured and turn on the nWo, HHH to go somewhere, and of course let's say we throw in Scott Steiner to join DX to spite the nWo from his wCw days. what do you think about that story turn?

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I see a big problem with vince/nwo story arc. I'm sure he brought in nwo before the roster split which means any idea of using them to reunite the roster has to be thrown out. And with the long nwo story, you loose too many stars who've come up the last year just to feed off of what happened a few years ago. But, for the sake of argument...

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WMXIIX, Rock beats Hogan, they start to pose and all that. Rock turns his back on hogan, Gets beat down with a chair. Hogan stays heal. Hall goes over Austin with run in by Nash.

Nwo stays small. All the other story arc stay in place ie, Angle, lesnar, edge etc all go about there buisiness. Cept y2j, hhh fued goes on for longer with y2j eventually winning the title again.

Roster split happens and nwo go on raw. Shane controls raw, and steph controls sd.

Shane/nwo wars begin with shane believing he's going to stop nwo and save wwe for himself. Various fights and small fueds develop along the way for about a month with nwo basically establishing themselves as real threats and underminning Shane. Until Shane and Austin form an uneasy alliance to rid the nwo. Shane recruits hbk under the premise that he and hhh would help his cause. so you have hhh,hbk,austin, under shanes control vs hall,nash,hogan who unveil bischoff as their leader.

Vinnie gets pissed about this one. Comes down to confront Bisch, but gets laid out. Looks up from the ground and smiles knowing he's killing his company.

Test is fired just because

Eventually wwe alliance defeats nwo once and for all, Austin retires after pinning hogan and saving wwe, hhh and hbk begin kliq actions to lead into shane vs kliq or something, shane get's complete control of Raw, Vinnie is ousted, nwo is fired, and lead into return of Deisel, Mr America gimmick and so on and on to new storys. Hall is prolly fired by now. Bisch is gonna have to write himself back into this one. Return of Berg, Steiner and so on really don't need nwo.

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Well Exodus...My storyline somehwat explains that...The nWo debut in the WWE before the Brand Split....The Brand Split occurs and the nWo are packaged on RAW....But because Hogan stuck around...Shane has no choice but to keep the nWo on RAW because of Vince...When The nWo bring in HHH and Eric....They end their ties with Vince and company...And become the "Rogue" nWo...Where they both attack RAW And Smackdown...Hence at Wrestlemania XIX...It is the end of The Brand Split because both brands come together to take on the nWo...

I didn't explain it well but that's what I was thinkin' at the time...
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