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Old 14 Feb 2008, 02:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WASHINGTON -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.
This is fucking hilarious. Belicheat's been spying since day one, Rog burns the evidence, then says any other evidence should be returned to him (so he can destroy that too) and says he has nothing to hide. This is gonna go down as one of the biggest scandles in history, so long as the commish doesn't cover everything up Belicheat needs to be banned from the gang and I'm pretty sure the patriots should be stripped of anything they've done since he became coach, and also, they might need to disband that organization in shame.
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This is fucking hilarious. Belicheat's been spying since day one, Rog burns the evidence, then says any other evidence should be returned to him (so he can destroy that too) and says he has nothing to hide. This is gonna go down as one of the biggest scandles in history, so long as the commish doesn't cover everything up Belicheat needs to be banned from the gang and I'm pretty sure the patriots should be stripped of anything they've done since he became coach, and also, they might need to disband that organization in shame.
No shit, Billy needs to realize he's not allowed to cheat unless he's using tax payer money to do it!!!

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Old 14 Feb 2008, 05:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You need to take that down sir, I don't need my Freemanson/Bilderberg/ Skull & Bones frends to see this. It could jeapordize my whole mission.

The Patriot Act was started to protect NE damn it!!!
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Just pray the little grey men get you before the feds or pack your bags for gitmo traitor.
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 05:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I always wondered how the fuck they beat the Rams. How that offense all of a sudden just stop worked against NE. Well isn't that obvious now.
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Yeah Kurt Warner got robbed!!!! Oh well at least NYG shoved it up their asses...

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A tape of a Rams practice was responsible for that win? Tapes of defensive signals are responsible for all that success? I don't know if I'm buying that. I think these Patriots teams were extremely talented. Maybe you can argue if they're great or not, but I think there's a ton of other factors that go into winning a football game, and almost all of them are probably more important than these spy tapes.

That doesn't mean I condone this. And yeah, the Patriot's success is tainted. This team has an entire nation of haters, and I'm sure they don't plan to shut up about this. Blame it on Belichick. Ignorance to the rules does not make you immune. The title of this thread says it all. Cheating since day 1. That's fair, that's true, and that's what will be remembered. The 1951 New York Giants are known as the sign stealing team, and this generation of Patriots will be known as the spytaping teams.
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So...That Rams offense destroys every single defense in the league..And they just happened to look second rate and play their worst game of the year in the Super Bowl?..





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I'll bet Marshall's fuckin PISSED.
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The Rams played the Patriots earlier in the year in Foxborough and beat them. I believe 100% that the Patriots taped the Rams signals in that loss, and used them to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

The Cheatriots should be stripped from the record books from the past eight seasons. Their Lombardi trophies should be handed to their opponents (Rams, Eagles and Panthers).
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Fuck I would be.

The dude should have two superbowl rings. He got robbed.
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Taping the defensive signals is essentially an illegal performace enhancer for the team and athletes that take any illegal performance enhancer's are banned and stripped of any medals or records they set while using the enhancers.
I cant see why it should be any different for them.
Just as not knowing it was illegal has the same parralel.

The patriots may have been a very good team (Just like any good sprinter) but this has given them an extra advantage that probably caused them to take that extra step.


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Just wanted to add that Goodell needs to fall on his sword immediatly based on what he told the senator about why he destroyed the evidence. Based on the inadequate punishment given for what looks a far greater crime, the NFL should be able to understand antitrust...cause no bastard will trust them again... no exemption.
I always wondered why Tagliabue would leave his position after such a tremendous job (even though he was 65 at the time)...maybe getting out before the shit inevitably hit the fan????


As for the patriots, kraft needs bellichoke to leave now.... hell bellichoke should have seen this coming and done it after he got cauught but he comes accross as an arrogant ass.

Personally im not sure how you do it sufficiantly but my recommendation would be:

Stripping new england of any records accrued during the systematic cheating that occured. This means all the records have an astericks that states that there was no recognised champion due to cheating...i cant condone giving the other teams that played the title because of the what ifs but also the patriots should be made to forfeit the rings accrued during said period.

Some sort of punishment needs to be made now and i would have the patriots made to forfeit an entire season but that would throw the season out even if you gave the teams they played an extra bye.

Also add they should forfeit not just the first round draft pick but the entire draft for the next season.
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^Personally, I like all the punishments you listed. I'd like to add one more for Bellicheck though: Suspended for life from coaching any football team. Doesn't matter if it's Pee Wee, high school, college, arena, or Canadian, he shouldn't be allowed to.
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