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Old 06 Nov 2008, 04:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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For those in Cali...should know exactly what I'm talking about...For those that isn't...It basically abandon gay marriage...you can read more by google it or something...so it was passed during this week election...

Anyway...today I went to school...one of the teacher was in a bad mood because Prop 8 was passed...to make the story short...

She basically opened by saying she shouldn't even be saying the following stuffs...but she is disappointed on how ignorant people are to passed Prop 8...and a bunch of students agreed with her and whatnot...so there I was sitting there and just try to ignore the whole situation...and she continued by saying...it is the new century and blah blah blah about how ignorant people about the whole situation...and to conclude her point...she said that, and I will try to quote this as accurately as possible, "The reason why Prop 8 was passed because of how uneducated the Eastern (Asian Americans) people are and how ignorant they are about individual freedom"...

Anyway...at that point...I couldn't take it anymore and stood up and had to say something to her...it pretty much about how I question her credential and how she shouldn't even be allowed to stand up there in front of the class and teach a class...something along those lines except I tried to sound as calm as possible because after all she gonna gives me a grade as the end of the semester...

So...am I wrong to feel that teachers shouldn't express their personal feelings like that in front of the class?...Am I wrong for telling her that she shouldn't has done that?...

Well to be honest...I really don't give a shit about the whole Prop 8 or whatnot...but the fact that she said those stuffs really did it for me...

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Old 06 Nov 2008, 05:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 06:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 08:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I honestly don't care if a gay couple wants to get married. Doesn't affect me any. Why not?
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 10:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 11:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You're a fucking patriot Gino and people like you give me hope. You got it right. Teachers are not activists in the class room and it's a serious problem in this country. The teachers union spent millions on prop 8 and it has absolutely zero to do with education. I'm proud of you for standing up for yourself.

And as far as prop 8 go's, liberals passed prop 8. Liberals run California. They want to blame it on ignorance, then they need to start looking at all the people that make up their party, because those are the same people that elected them and don't agree with their legislation. Ignorance, idiots, they're the same group.
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 11:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Teachers should just teach. I've had teachers who won't even tell you their religion or their political party simply because they don't want to influence the students. Those are good teachers.

Here's the thing about prop 8. I don't have a problem with gay people. Guys can fuck guys if they want to, just leave me out of it. Girls can fuck girls if they want to, just let me watch. When it comes to gay marriage though... nooooo way. Marriage is between a man and a woman. That's it. There's nothing more to it and it shouldn't even be debated. I don't know why gay people feel marriage is so necessary in order to be able to love someone else.
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Teachers should just teach. I've had teachers who won't even tell you their religion or their political party simply because they don't want to influence the students. Those are good teachers.

Here's the thing about prop 8. I don't have a problem with gay people. Guys can fuck guys if they want to, just leave me out of it. Girls can fuck girls if they want to, just let me watch. When it comes to gay marriage though... nooooo way. Marriage is between a man and a woman. That's it. There's nothing more to it and it shouldn't even be debated. I don't know why gay people feel marriage is so necessary in order to be able to love someone else.
I had a teacher last year who said to the class, "you want to know my political afiliation? Ask me after you graduate". That's how teachers should be like. My night class teacher is a fucking hardcore liberal who will spin almost any story to portray the GOP in a negative light. I voted for Obama and consider myself a democrat, yet I always find myself in that class defending the republican party because what she says is just beyond ridiculous.

As for prop eight, I've talked to gay people on this issue, and the general answer I've gotten so far, is that marrige is not necessary to love someone, but it's a civil rights issue. Straight people can marry, why not gays? What makes them so different that they are to be denied something such as marrage? It doesn't really affect others, so what's the point in saying no you can't?
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As for prop eight, I've talked to gay people on this issue, and the general answer I've gotten so far, is that marrige is not necessary to love someone, but it's a civil rights issue. Straight people can marry, why not gays? What makes them so different that they are to be denied something such as marrage? It doesn't really affect others, so what's the point in saying no you can't?
If you take that position, then you have to, by definition, open up legalizing marriage to include polygamy and incest.
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Old 06 Nov 2008, 05:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Exo is certainly right, where do you indeed draw the line and to define that line do we need more laws. Our moral structure as it stands is so bound up with laws that it creates loopholes. But that brings up another question, do we follow the constitution by the letter and have it remain unchanging or do we take a more flexible look out our moral/legal system one that can bend to meet its requirements? Either way, you are going to create conflicts and you will create paradoxical situations.

In my eyes there is not, nor will there ever be perfect fit.

In the end, Prop 8 did not pass as it was voted down, and that is how democracy works.

And I too applaud you Gino, no person should ever sit silent when they feel their basic rights are being infringed upon. You pay for school, a "unbiased" education, and you felt you were not receiving that. Kudos my good man.
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Maybe it's just me, but certain subjects can lend to reasonable debating like Poli. Sci or History. However, it should not effect the student's grade one way or the other. I've seen teachers act like that, and for one reason or another, she still has her job. That's wrong.

Secondly, if this chica was a Math teacher, then yes, I would be upset.
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If you take that position, then you have to, by definition, open up legalizing marriage to include polygamy and incest.
Alright. I'm fine with it. I may not agree with marrying your cousin or having multiple wives, but I'm not going to deny someone who wants to the right to, especially in this country.
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