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Old 21 Jun 2005, 12:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Christian who leads a good life, being good to others, helping when and how he can...all in hope to recieve his eternal reward
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The Atheist who leads a good life, being good to others, helping when and how he can....with no hopes of any kind of eternal reward


well....which is it?

For that matter, for those of you who are religious....do you believe that God will welcome all good people into heaven? Atheists, Various religions, etc...
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The second one. The atheist act is less selfish than the Christian, as they are doing it because their big book tells them to.
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Old 21 Jun 2005, 12:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 21 Jun 2005, 12:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I vote for the third party candidate....The Satin worshiping self centered guy that hates every one and only looks out for what is his best intrest....
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It's odd that you would ask in the first place. Who says that just because Christian people act nicely, their motivation is solely for an "eternal reward??" I mean, is it impossible for a Christian to be a nice person just because they're a nice person and not because they believe that's their ticket to Heaven? That certainly seems to be the implication of this question anyway.

The answer is Neither. Both people are nice and helpful. Their motivation does not come into play with the general question of "who is better?" If you want to get deeper into "are they a better person all of the time," then you need to detail their daily habits, routines and vices. And quite frankly, I'm not going to make that call anyway, but maybe other people are better than I and more qualified to do so.

People need to open their minds to the possibility that maybe...just maybe, Christians are capable of being nice simply for the sake of being nice.

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What people need to get is that modern religon is basically around for the purpose of keeping society in order. It does so much more good than bad... but people miss that in their christaphobic rantings.

They are equal, though I have never met an atheist that wasn't a total fucking asshole that believed that he/she was the greatest being to ever live. And believe me... in San Francisco you meet alotta these guys.
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What people need to get is that modern religon is basically around for the purpose of keeping society in order. It does so much more good than bad... but people miss that in their christaphobic rantings.

They are equal, though I have never met an atheist that wasn't a total fucking asshole that believed that he/she was the greatest being to ever live. And believe me... in San Francisco you meet alotta these guys.
I find that atheists are more eager to spout off about their atheism than any religious person I have ever known has been to spout off about their religion. Atheists are worse than missionaries, IMO. It won't be long until we can add them to the list of religions like Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses that go door to door to try and annoy you into converting to their personal beliefs.

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Speaking as a person who considers himself a christian, let me clear this up. these two are on an even scale, because neither of them will get any reward other than the inner satisfaction they recieve from helping others.

No person can "work" their way into heaven. That can only be done by accepting Christ as your savior. A person who has done that should want to help others out of the love their savior has given them.
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The second one. The first guy feels that he has to do that stuff. The second is doing it out of good will.
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It's odd that you would ask in the first place. Who says that just because Christian people act nicely, their motivation is solely for an "eternal reward??" I mean, is it impossible for a Christian to be a nice person just because they're a nice person and not because they believe that's their ticket to Heaven? That certainly seems to be the implication of this question anyway.
I merely asked because I thought it might get a convo going.

I ,btw, wasn't trying to say that its impossible for a Christian to be motivated by anything other than the promise of an eternal reward.

The thread was more of a question of motivation....
Does the promise of eternal salvation affect someone's actions?
Is someone a better person if they continue to be good people, even if they don't believe they will recieve the same reward?


Also, I noticed how pretty much everyone avoided that little side question...
Do you believe that God will welcome all good people into heaven? Atheists, Various religions, etc...
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Also, I noticed how pretty much everyone avoided that little side question...
Do you believe that God will welcome all good people into heaven? Atheists, Various religions, etc...
KK answered it by stating, "That can only be done by accepting Christ as your savior."


That's one of my biggest faults with Christianity, and religion in general. Someone can be a good person their entire life, but because they don't have a certain set of beliefs, they won't have an eternal reward.
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KK answered it by stating, "That can only be done by accepting Christ as your savior."
That's why I said "I noticed how pretty much everyone avoided that little side question..." implying that some one did actually answer it...but everyone else ignored it.

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That's one of my biggest faults with Christianity, and religion in general. Someone can be a good person their entire life, but because they don't have a certain set of beliefs, they won't have an eternal reward.
I would have to agree with that statement....

I am personally Catholic...I have friends who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, and a few that claim Atheism....I would say they are all essentially good people. I don't really like the idea that just because they have a different religion than I do, that they go to hell...or purgatory or whatever.
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That's why I said "I noticed how pretty much everyone avoided that little side question..." implying that some one did actually answer it...but everyone else ignored it.
Well I made mention of it, to set up my next point. I knew you said '...pretty much everyone...' I'm not #29 here
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Well I made mention of it, to set up my next point. I knew you said '...pretty much everyone...' I'm not #29 here
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