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Old 02 Nov 2004, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Lets say I'm a swing voter

(and since I don't like either main candidate its fairly close to true)

Explain to me the difference between liberals and consevatives/

Tell me why Kerry or Bush deserves my vote.
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Old 02 Nov 2004, 01:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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dang you boy.....

do what I did in my thread.....take your top four issues.....line the two candidates up against each other.....see who wins those issues.....that's who you vote for.....

the difference between liberals and conservatives?......not touching that one.....
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Old 02 Nov 2004, 01:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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dang you boy.....

do what I did in my thread.....take your top four issues.....line the two candidates up against each other.....see who wins those issues.....that's who you vote for.....

the difference between liberals and conservatives?......not touching that one.....
I know how to decide who to vote for, this is more about people telling me how to achieve the answer

the liberals and conservatives thing...if you aren't capable of delivering some balanced answer that doesn't blatantly put down the other side...I doubt anyone is
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Liberals appear to beleive they can make yur grass greener and things of that nature. Conservatives appear to believe the government doesn't work and they run for election to prove it.

Try ontheissues.org

20 question quiz and they also show where 3rd party candidates stand and who agrees with you.
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Old 02 Nov 2004, 01:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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thanks for the compliment.....
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I'm not very political but basically: Liberals = idealists who think they can change the country and whine when things don't go their way. Conservatives = one sided people who believe things are fine the way they are and sling mud at oppenents to support their views.
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Simple. The difference between liberals and conservatives is that one has sex with Donkeys and the other has sex with Elephants. Personally, I don't condone that short of thing. I'd much rather have both animals slowly simmering on mah grill, covered in BBQ.

And even though I too am a big "swinger", I do believe that I should vote too simply because it's the American way. You'd know that too if you were really an American Hero.
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And even though I too am a big "swinger", I do believe that I should vote too simply because it's the American way. You'd know that too if you were really an American Hero.
I'm going to vote Ross....this was pretty much a thread for the sake of discussion
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I'm going to vote Ross....this was pretty much a thread for the sake of discussion
Now that's a good vote.
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Now that's a good vote.
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Okay.....difference between Liberals and Conservatives.....

Liberals tend to believe in bigger government involvement, with reliance upon the government to solve issues.....they believe that you should be dependent upon the government for income, for healthcare, for job security.....

A true liberal, which is almost what John Kerry is, is almost beyond the point of being part of a Democracy.....they are very socialistic in their beliefs.....

Conservatives do believe in smaller government, less dependency upon the government for things that can be taken care of without the governments help.....they believe in fewer taxes, creating your own destiny and financial security, and dependency upon your moral beliefs.....

A true Conservative (which Bush is close to, but not as close to as Kerry is to being a true Liberal) is closer to wanting a Theocracy rather than a Democracy.....
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Okay.....difference between Liberals and Conservatives.....

Liberals tend to believe in bigger government involvement, with reliance upon the government to solve issues.....they believe that you should be dependent upon the government for income, for healthcare, for job security.....

A true liberal, which is almost what John Kerry is, is almost beyond the point of being part of a Democracy.....they are very socialistic in their beliefs.....

Conservatives do believe in smaller government, less dependency upon the government for things that can be taken care of without the governments help.....they believe in fewer taxes, creating your own destiny and financial security, and dependency upon your moral beliefs.....

A true Conservative (which Bush is close to, but not as close to as Kerry is to being a true Liberal) is closer to wanting a Theocracy rather than a Democracy.....
Thanks Ray.....I am somewhere in the middle there.
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Thanks Ray.....I am somewhere in the middle there.
As is about 80% of the American population.....there are about 5% that are the furthest of either spectrum.....the sad thing is, those five percent are the loudest for each side.....

typically, the ones to the furthest of each spectrum are the ones that have a voice that can be heard.....for example, a solid amount of Hollywood actors are extreme Liberals.....they are, indeed, socialists.....yet they seem to affect what we hear and say because they have a platform.....they are nationally known stars.....

When you add in the other organizations, such as the ACLU (again, extremely socialistic in their beliefs).....then you see where the far left is at.....

Sadly, things are just as bad on the Conservative side when you talk about that percentage of people.....I include myself in this side, only because of my religious preference and background.....but WE tend to be very Theocratic.....everything must trend towards God.....and there are organizations out there that are just as loud as the ACLU and the SAG.....

it is those 80% that decide what truly goes on.....the others spout off stuff and generalize those in that 80%.....they attempt to make that 80% believe that there is an idealistic world, because they themselves believe there is an idealistic world.....

the extreme liberals, such as Michael Moore, believe so strongly in their side that they are much like Orwell's animals in the book Funny Farm.....they are Communists without realizing it.....they are led to slaughter while believing they are being led to salvation.....

the extreme conservatives are much the same, they just tend to put things in a black and white box.....while I believe that more can belong in a black and white world, there is still much grey.....and this far right sees no gray.....only black and white.....


it is those, then.....that 80% that have to decide on their own.....you see, I believe the swing voters encompass that 80%, not the 10% that the polls would have us believe.....the reason that I say this is because of the fact that we make so many different choices.....

Kurt, you are one of those 80%.....that's where the choice comes in.....and that is why you have to take the issues that mean the most to you, no matter what they are, and pit the two candidates against each other based solely upon those issues.....it all boils down to what means the most to you.....

this campaign has talked about myriads of issues.....war, taxes, oil, abortion, gay rights, stem cell research, environment, patriotism, religious faith.....there are more, but that's what I thought of off the top of my head.....in reality, everyone can probably pick out three or four of those issues and make a solid choice based upon those three or four.....because if you agree with your candidate on each issue, you are one of the 5% on the far side.....


as I've said all along, and I'm saying this to everyone (which I'm sure you knew, Kurt).....pick your core issues, line them up.....ask yourself which candidate believes the closest to your beliefs on those issues.....and vote for that man.....


oh yeah, then there is another 10% that I didn't talk about.....they are the Ted Kennedy's and the Richard Nixon's of the world.....they vote Democrat because they always vote Democrat and Republican because they always vote Republican.....they are mindless drones with no hope of ever being a normal human being......
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