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Old 06 Feb 2009, 05:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TOP 10 REASONS TO OPPOSE THE STIMULUS
As with medicine, the first rule of law making should be first, do no harm. The “stimulus” bill fails this test spectacularly. Among so many other reasons to tell your U.S. Representative and Senators in Washington to oppose the stimulus, the Top 10 are:

The Stimulus Will Not Work
Our history is replete with examples of “stimulus” spending failing to move our economy toward prosperity—Bush just tried it, Ford tried it. Even Christina Romer, Obama’s Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers agrees. Romer wrote in a study, “Our estimates suggest that fiscal actions contributed only moderately to recoveries.” The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression and Obama’s stimulus package won’t end this recession. In fact, two UCLA economists published a study in 2004 finding FDR’s similar New Deal policies prolonged the Great Depression by seven years.

It fails because you don’t increase economic output by taking a dollar from one person and giving to another. The idea of “stimulus” spending falls for the “ broken window fallacy”—the allure of what is seen versus what is not seen. We will see the jobs created by the government spending. What we won’t see are the jobs lost because consumers have less money to spend because the government got the money its spending from us—the only place it can get money.

The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy
Japan, after a dramatic market crash and a drop in real estate prices responded with government spending not unlike what the US Congress is considering today. In fact, they had 10 stimulus bills between 1992 and 2000, spending billions on infrastructure construction, building bridges, roads, and airports as well as pouring money into biotech and telecommunications. While many countries enjoyed booming economies and falling unemployment during this time, Japan had a lost decade, seeing its unemployment more than double. They spent double the US level of GDP on infrastructure, and now have a lousy economy and have one of the highest national debts in the world.

After 10 stimulus packages, Japan has gone from having the second biggest economy in the world by a long shot, to being well behind the new number two, China, and is close to falling behind India. We do not want to follow their lead.

The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects
While we were told the stimulus bill would focus on rebuilding America’s infrastructure—mainly the roads and bridges—only 5% of the current bill goes to such projects. The rest of the bill goes to pet projects like:

$400,000,000.00 for researching sexually transmitted diseases
$200,000,000.00 to force the military to buy environmentally-friendly electric cars
$34,000,000.00 to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$75,000,000.00 for a program to end smoking which, if successful will bankrupt the State Children’s Health Program Democrats are about to pass (SCHIP) that is paid for by cigarette taxes
$650,000,000.00 for digital TV coupons
$50,000,000.00 for the National Endowment for the Arts
These programs are just the 2008 version of the “ midnight basketball” program that derailed Bill Clinton’s attempt to ram through a “stimulus” bill in 1992. Despite that bill failing, the economy quickly recovered and the economic boom of the 1990s began.

The Government Can’t Afford the Stimulus
President Bush pushed the government deep into a $1.2 trillion deficit this year, the third time he has set a record for biggest deficit ever, and President Obama’s stimulus bill follows his lead, piling on more debt. The deficit in 2008 amounted to about 8 percent of GDP. The entire debt is about 35 percent of GDP.

Even for those who do still believe in Keynesianism, it is important to remember his theory didn’t start with the government already over a trillion dollars in the hole, he was generally operating from balanced budgets.

We Can’t afford the Stimulus
How much is $825 billion? The Heritage Foundation has calculated that that comes to over $10,000 per American family. To further put that in context, on average, families annually spend:

$2,230 on apparel and services
$3,595 on health care
$4,322 on food at home
$11,657 on shelter
The Stimulus is Bigger Than the Economic Output of Most Countries
If this bill were a country, it’d be the 15th largest country in world, ranking between Australia and Mexico. It is bigger than the economies of Saudi Arabia and Iran combined. In fact, the $875 billion it calls for is more than all the cash in the United States.

Central Planning like the Stimulus Doesn’t Work, Ask the USSR
If centrally planned government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth, the Soviet Union would have won the Cold War. If government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth we would be in the middle of the Bush Boom right now. It doesn’t. Working, saving, and investing leads to economic output and increases in productivity lead to growth.

As economics professor Steven Horwitz said, “The stimulus plans assume consumption is the source of growth. It is not. It is the consequence of said growth.”

Remember the $750 Billion Bailout from this Fall?
It was just a couple months ago when we were told if we would just quickly hand over $750 billion to the Treasury Secretary to bailout his friends on Wall Street, he would make the economy all better. That didn’t work, and neither will an additional $825 billion.

This Money Doesn’t Grow on Trees
And this has nothing to do with paper money being made of cotton and linen. The only way the government gets money is through taxing, borrowing, or printing—that is, it has to take it out of the economy in order to put it back into the economy. If government borrows the money for the stimulus, then it will either have to print money later or raise taxes to pay it back. If it raises taxes to pay for the stimulus, it will, in effect, be robbing Peter to pay Paul – probably with interest. If it prints the money, inflation decreases the value of the dollar for every American – robbing Paul to pay Paul.

Economists do NOT Agree this is a Good Idea
No matter how many times supporters of the bill say it, economists do not all agree this bill is a good idea. In fact, hundreds of economists have come out against it, including Noble Laureates, who signed a letter the Cato Institute ran as a full page ad in several major newspapers opposing the stimulus. Still more economists submitted statements to the US House of Representatives opposing the stimulus proposal.
Has anybody else been paying attention to this insane spending plan???
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Yes and no. At first, I was interested but I read up on the stimulus and read and read and it got more and more depressing as I kept going.

$900 Fucking Billion Dollars...on some of the most ridiculous shit EVER. I couldn't find the link in my brief search, but it's completely fucking insane NOT TO MENTION RECKLESSLY WASTEFUL most of the shit he wants to spend that money on.

Then he's up there trying to bully the Republicans into passing it. FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING COMMIE BITCH.

Seriously...there's a BEVVY of ABSOLUTELY STUPID SHIT in that stimulus and it just needs to get shitcanned YESTERDAY.

And I fucking love Yahoo's front page. Bush's stimulus plan consisted of GIVING MONEY BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS and every headline about it on Yahoo or any other internet or television media outlet was "CONGRESSIONAL DEMS SKEPTICAL OF BUSH'S SHADY ASS STIMULUS SCHEME."

But look at the headlines about Obama's fucking WASTEFEST.

"Obama ditches teleprompters and criticizes Republicans for delaying stimulus"

"Obama: 'People voted for change'"

"Evil Republicans stimy His Holiness the Dalai Obama's Benefecent and Absolutely Perfect Stimulus Package"

"TOM DASCHLE!!! TOM DASCHLE!!! OMFG TOM DASCHLE!!!!"



As the days go on I grow more and more sick of the morons in this country, specifically in the media.
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Just to comment on one of his plans, spending 200 million to "force the military to buy environmentally-friendly electric cars" is like shooting someone for littering.

While reading the article, they made the economy seem like a hot stove, and Obama's "plan" seems like his attempt to touch it. Bottom line is don't fuck with the cycle, atleast from their perspective.

Hundreds of economists are against this, huh? Well, if it's really that fucking bad, then I hope it doesn't go through, but apparently Obama isn't going to rest until this or something similiar is put into action. Good luck, people. If only this country had a reset button, but even then that just might make things more difficult.
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there's a bunch of Facebook groups about "Stopping The Stimulus"
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We don't have much time. Spread this clear across Facebook as the Senate vote may be this week. This Liberal, Socialist Money Grab is MOVING TOO FAST. Let the nation learn about it and discuss it, instead of railroading it through. It is not a stimulus package as much as it is a Liberal Wish List, including millions paid to ACORN, the leader in voter corruption and dozens of other Pork Projects and Paybacks to those who supported this administration during the election. We need 100,000 members this week. AND CALL YOUR SENATORS AND YOUR CONGRESSPERSON NOW...BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
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"before its too late"
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fuck that, i want money NAO!
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fuck that, i want money NAO!
The economic stimulus package will NOT give you money.

It gives money to numerous stupid things that will supposedly stimulate the economy.


who or what is NAO?
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o. you didnt know?

WELL YOUR ASS BETTER CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLL SOMEBODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDY

and wtf, i want my money

and isn't there supposed to be another one of those stimulus things where they send me a check and i spend the money on a PS3? like last year, when i bought 3 xbox games and window tint. cuz i want one of those stimulus' RIGHT NAO!!!!!~!!!!
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ZOMG...did you catch the speech last night?? Got the tail end of it and Obama said at one point: "We got into this mess when banks started taking huge risks with other people's money..."

And then he went on to defend why HE wants to take a HUGE RISK with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY...and why he thinks that will fix the problem.



Seriously?? People can call W. as stupid as they want, but the fact of the matter is he never outlined the cause of a serious economic problem AND THEN GO ON TO SAY IN THE VERY NEXT MOTHERFUCKING SENTENCE THAT REPEATING THE ACTIONS THAT CAUSED SAID PROBLEM ON A MUCH, MUCH MORE GRAND SCALE WOULD SOLVE IT.

Obama's either an idiot or he thinks we are. Either way...and I never thought I'd say this...

...I miss W. We're all gonna be broke soon.
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Well, that passed the Senate and then Timothy says "hey, we're gonna need about 2,000,000,000,000 more dollars for banks since that last 750,000,000,000 didn't really go over like we thought it would oops my bad." This is just unbelievable.
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Here is a great rundown of the Pork in the Porkulus bill:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...M3NjVmODRmYzA=
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it passed....he just gotta sign it now.

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Nancy Pelosi says that Republicans never want to do anything about the economy.....

Nancy Pelosi says that this stimulus package is about jobs, jobs, jobs.....

Anyone else get the feeling that Nancy Pelosi may be living in a polar opposite dimension?
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Nancy Pelosi says that Republicans never want to do anything about the economy.....

Nancy Pelosi says that this stimulus package is about jobs, jobs, jobs.....

Anyone else get the feeling that Nancy Pelosi may be living in a polar opposite dimension?
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Here is a great rundown of the Pork in the Porkulus bill:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...M3NjVmODRmYzA=
Jesus people, c'mon.





"Wasteful and Non-Stimulative Spending in the House-Senate Conference Report (Note: Many of these items are typically debated and funded through the regular budget process. Including these items in an emergency “stimulus” spending bill plays an Enron-style shell game with taxpayer dollars. We’re borrowing from the next generation to avoid tough budget choices today.)
• $8 billion for high-speed railway (including an earmark for an Los Angeles to Las Vegas MagLev)
• $1 billion for the “FutureGen” not-ready-for-primetime near zero emission plant in Illinois
• $53.6 billion for the “state stabilization” slush fund
• $1.3 billion for Amtrak
• $24 million for USDA buildings and rent
• $176 million for renovating Agricultural Research Service buildings
• $290 million for flood prevention activities
• $50 million for watershed rehabilitation
• $1.4 billion for wastewater disposal programs
• $295 million for administrative expenses associated with food stamp program
• $1 billion for the 2010 Census
• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
• $650 million for the DTV converter box coupon program
• $360 million for construction of NIST buildings
• $830 million for NOAA research and facilities
• $2 billion for Byrne JAG program
• $10 million to combat Mexican gunrunners
• $125 million for rural communities to combat drug crimes
• $1 billion for the COPS program
• $1 billion for NASA
• $300 million to purchase scientific instruments for colleges and museums
• $400 million for equipment and facilities at the NSF
• $3.7 billion to conduct "green" renovations on military bases
• $375 million for Mississippi River projects
• $10 million for urban canals
• $5 billion for weatherizing buildings
• $2 billion to develop advanced batteries for hybrid cars
• $3.4 billion for fossil energy research (possibly including an earmark for FutureGen)
• $5.1 billion for environmental cleanup around military bases
• $5.5 billion for "green" federal buildings
• $300 million for "green" cars for federal employees
• $20 million for IT upgrades at the Small Business Administration
• $200 million to design and furnish DHS headquarters
• $210 million for State and local fire stations
• $125 million to restore trails and abandoned mines
• $146 million for trail maintenance at National Park Service sites
• $140 million for volcano monitoring systems
• $600 million for the EPA Superfund environmental cleanup program
• $200 million to clean up leaking underground storage tanks
• $500 million for forest health and wildfire prevention
• $25 million for the Smithsonian Institution
• $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
• $1.2 billion for "youth activities" (for "youth" up to 24 years old)
• $500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
• $1 billion for Head Start
• $32 million for home-delivered nutrition services
• $160 million for volunteer programs at the Corporation for National and Community Service
• $500 million earmark for the SSA National Computer Center in MD
• $220 million for the International Boundary and Water Commission, U.S. and Mexico"
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