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Old 14 Jul 2007, 10:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i realize i'm probably in a minority here being a believer in Christ, the Bible, etc.

was wondering what specific reasons various people had for believing in it

more often than not it boils down to something like:

'there's too much stuff in this world that sucks to believe in it'

'i tried it and the rules sucked'

'i tried it and something awful happened to me and i can't/won't get past that'

'there's too many religions, how can that one claim to be right'

'there's too many jerks/ignoramuses/idiots who claim to believe that crap, i'm not gona be one of them'

'religion is for people who need a crutch/have no self confidence'

'its all a scam/made up/fairtyale/historically inaccurate'

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feel free to flame me, or ask questions, or just respond. not trying to 'convert' anyone lol.
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For me "organized" religion tends to be the root of more societal evils than the non believing populous. What gives anyone the basic inherent right to say that their belief is the only, my divine deity is the only , or be judgmental of those that do not follow their belief system.

Mankind since the dawn of its inception (which can vary greatly in ideal depending on who you are, I will leave that out of this) has found an "explainer" for that which could not be conquered or easily understood, so members of those communities found that through that ignorance they could gain power and created a device greater than themselves that could not be seen nor explained and thusly kept those who both feared and respected these members in fear and in control. Not much has changed from day 1 till now, look at some of the most influential church figures this day and age.

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There is not magical flying spaghetti monster.

The concept of "God" is foreign to me. I never understood it, and I doubt I ever will. To believers I say: Great. I am happy for you as long as you don't force your will on me.
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Until someone can disprove God, I'm gonna go ahead and believe....
I don't buy into any one particular religion.

I think all religions make good points....and I think all religions make a lot of mistakes.

I believe organized religion is a bunch of crap.

I encourage people to find their own answers, and their own relationship with God....or whatever higher power they may choose to acknowledge
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I believe in a higher power..But I do not believe in the prototypical Christian God...Or any other for that matter. The different versions of the bible..Or the Koran..Or what have you.. are so fucking inconsistent and blockbuster movie fiction like that it's almost laughable. Second of all...God sucks. You can wipe all your sins away with a drop of water?..WTF is that. I can cheat on my wife..Rape a chick..Steal from my neighbor..But a drop of water just wipes the slate clean?..WTF is the point of me living in the first place if I'm getting a first class ticket to the pearly gates because a drop of "holy" water hits my skull...Oh..and I repent and say I'm sorry. I see murders on death row..before they're executed..And they repent to their preacher in the final hours..And all of a sudden..They're all good?..What? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Church is also total bullshit. God is one needy fucker if I have to spend my Sundays in there praising him...I thought Sunday was a day of rest..Well let me fucking rest. Don't wake me up at 6 in the morning so I can hear some corrupt money laundering preacher screaming. God is also one lazy son of a bitch. IF he does exist..Why are there 9/11's?..Why are there Oklahoma City Bombings?..Couldn't God..in his unlimited power..Strike a change of heart into those people?....Oh..He can't control free will...Well WTF is the point of him anyway?..I'd rather have a 300 pound bodyguard on my side then fucking God if he can't protect me. A preacher would say..God just had a different plan for them......WTF?..Huh?..God can take my family away..Cause pain to thousands of people..But it's cool because he is who he is?..Thats just his plan?..God makes no utter sense to me.

Religion's of all types are total bullshit. They are used to keep people in line..And to keep them following an ideology. BUT..Like I said..I do believe in a higher power..I have to. I refuse to believe all we have is 65 years on earth..Then everything just fades to black. There has to be more somewhere...But being a loyal follower of any religion is like being a drone in my eyes.


Reese..If you can answer those questions..That'd be quite nice for me. Let me know why you follow someone who has caused Wars in his name..Something you have never seen nor heard from. And don't give me that..It's just faith..You have to have faith. Save that crap...Oh..And as far as the bible..http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...istencies.html ...There must be over 250 inconsistencies there..Explain a couple. K..Thx. GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

Those are just five. The bible is such shit.

Oh fuck it..Here's some more.

MT 27:5 Judas threw down the pieces of silver, then departed.
AC 1:18 He used the coins to buy the field.

(Teh Coins appeared along D way?)

JN 1:1, 10:30 Jesus and God are one.
JN 14:28 God is greater than Jesus.

(OMG..Split personalities?..No Way..Jesus can transform back and forth between both.....WHAT?)

JN 10:27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost.
1TI 4:1 Some of them will be lost.

(Sounds like Jesus lied to get people to follow him. Hmm.)

IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.

(Maybe God Tagged him in?..Hardy Boyz style?)

You get the point..Bible= Crap. Click that link for more bible hilarity.



Side Note: That one about discord has me rolling.. God hates himself. You see it right there.
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I was raised Catholic and was forced to go to church once a week when I was young, then twice when I was put in a private catholic school. My religion was forced down my throat.

I believe in god, heaven, hell, the ten commandments, etc etc. I still believe in most of the things I was taught, but then I don't believe all of it, and most of it I have my own beliefs of, for example, I believe everybody deserves forgiveness, I believe in things supernatural, I don't believe that you should have to confess sins to a priest to forgiven or "saved" and I don't believe that you have to attend church regularly to pray or to believe in God etc etc.

I hate going to church and hate religion being shoved down my throat, and I wouldn't say I "practice" my religion. But I am Catholic and since I was taught all these things from a young age I can't just not be what I am. I don't like the organized religion thing much myself. In fact I hate it when really religious people use somebody that in my opinion really has no proof that he actually exists, as something to lean on instead of facing they're problems.

However I agree, most of the bible is bullshit and lies. And a Brother (which is a male version of a nun I think) that taught my religion class didn't teach us the bullshit, he straight out taught us what was true and what wasn't and some of the secrets behind it. Except he told us one thing wrong, he told us when we are born we have a task or a job or a journey to complete, and when we have, thats when we die, which is bull crap, was the job dying? the people that suffered through all these world tragedy's and then died..that was there job? doesn't make sense.

Most of the time I think he enjoys killing people. Thinks its a big joke.
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I don't believe in a higher power, and "serving your creator" by preying 1000 times a day and that shit. I believe in being good to yourself and one another, and that's really all you can do. Organized religions suck dick when they curb the way you live your life, like Arabic women with their hijabs and shit... like, what the fuck? Would "God" really want you to wear that?
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heh wow, i opened a can of worms. i'll see what i can come up with in response to some of these. but i don't want to get into straight tic-for-tac arguments. main reason for that sites like that infidel one come out and discount logical responses.

i had a project going with some friends to respond to each one individually, but when they say things on the site like 'believers will try to tell you "you need to take it into context" and that's baloney' - well, i don't know how to respond to that -it's true.

here's some examples, although not the specific examples you mentioned:

actually, looking at what me and some others have done, we do have a response to one of those there --

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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Let me give an example.

You have a company, and the CEO of the company is "Joe". You have a biologist in the company named "Fluke".

Fluke says one day, "Joe is greater than I. If I left the company nothing would change. Noone would care. I am disposable, he is not."
The next day Fluke comments, "Of course I have the right to get married and have kids. What makes Joe think he has that right and I don't? We are equal!"

Fluke said Joe is greater than him one day, the next he said they are equal. Is he contradicting himself?

In the first example Fluke is commenting on the economy of his relationship with Joe. (Economy: the disposition or regulation of the parts or functions of any organic whole; an organized system or method.) He is saying that Joe's position is greater than his own position. In the second example Fluke is commenting on the inherent rights and value of himself versus Joe. They are both human -- they have the same rights.

In the example quoted by Reese, Jesus is saying He has the same character, rights, and value that God the father has. He can say this because He is fully God just as God the Father is! He can also say that the Father is greater than He is, because in the economy of the trinity, the Son is subject to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15:20-28 NIV wrote:
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

In other words, the first is speaking of His 'nature'. The second is speaking of his 'function'.
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The Bible should be mandatory reading.....

but in my opinion it should be mandatory reading in the same way that in highschool, I was forced to read Aesop's Fables, Animal Farm, Catcher in The Rye, The Odyssey, and The Iliad...

There are many valuable lessons you can learn from the Bible, but you shouldn't take it word for word. Much of the Bible is not meant to be taken literally, imo. Christ spoke in parable, so that people could understand the message he was trying to convey. Much in the same fashion, I believe the Bible was meant to be taken, God's message relayed to us in a form we are capable of understanding.

I know atheists disagree with my beliefs on the matter....
I know Christians disagree with my beliefs on the matter...

Despite the travesty it has become, I believe in the IDEAS on which the Catholic church were founded. The current state of affairs is exceptionally disheartening to me.

I know many people hate the Bible on principle, however when you boil it all down, the very basic message it conveys can be expressed in the golden rule
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Its not a complicated idea.

Don't treat people like shit. Try to be a good person.

I think we all know what it means to be a good person, I think for the most part those of us here are.

Add in a little reverance to all mighty deity, and you've got the basis of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
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those are good points CK.

i actually am an 'extremist' Christian -- i am a believer that many people in this world who do not openly express 'accepting Jesus' or 'being born again' or however you want to call it, can and do still have God 'in their heart' or however you want to call it. specifically, areas of the world where the 'Gospel of the Bible' simply does not reach - not only the obvious like 'un/under developed tribes' or whatever, but in other 'organized religions' -- i am a believer that there's a lot of people there who truly 'know God'.

likewise, and this is more evident, i believe there are a TONNNNNNNNNNNNN of people who think or claim to know whatsup re: God and are in for a rude awakening upon 'judgement day' (the real one, not the ppv :-P )

but yeah, it's very simple as CK put it.

i'd put out there that the overall point really, according to the Bible, is to give props to God by recognizing what He's done; realizing a lot of the crap in this world is a result of various people's decisions and not God; realizing that the world we live in is temporary anyway;

and related to what CK said - treat others as you want to be treated -- one step further: putting others before yourself.


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For me "organized" religion tends to be the root of more societal evils than the non believing populous. What gives anyone the basic inherent right to say that their belief is the only, my divine deity is the only , or be judgmental of those that do not follow their belief system.

Mankind since the dawn of its inception (which can vary greatly in ideal depending on who you are, I will leave that out of this) has found an "explainer" for that which could not be conquered or easily understood, so members of those communities found that through that ignorance they could gain power and created a device greater than themselves that could not be seen nor explained and thusly kept those who both feared and respected these members in fear and in control. Not much has changed from day 1 till now, look at some of the most influential church figures this day and age.


this is completely 100 percent correct. however, it is noteworthy that the Bible itself says that this will happen. there are numerous warnings to beware of false teachers and such, and likewise quite a few references to what happens to 'leaders' abusing their power etc.

as far as who created who - God creating man or vice versa, the main argument we Christians are using now is the idea of intelligent design: the notion that for something as complex as life to exist at all, there _needed_ to be someone/something to cause it, it just couldn't have happened randomly (not trying to get into an evolution debate here, just throwing that out there).
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I view the value of the bible as that of a history text and therefore should be read and understood as though the views of the authors skew the context and factual arguments, eye of the beholder type of thing.

So that brings me to your argument of "The bible says". Well the bible is going to service the needs and interests of the religion in which it was conceived, you would not see a religious text that denounces the religion for which it was written.


A small note on the the creation of man, the need to eat, breath and live in a changing environment creates a need to evolve and that is where I feel we came from, I can't in good conscience believe that it was a simple *POOF* and we were here.
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Why do people live they're lives by the bible then? why should people believe in what it says? why has it been proved that most of is bullshit anyway, and why if its used in churches, and the Pope uses it, should it not be taken seriously? they certainly take it serious.

I'm asking, not taking the piss out of anyone.
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I'm not much of a good christian or anything, but I admire and appreciate people who live by those rules. I think it's good for society. I think that the basic core of the 10 commandmants and all that stuff makes the world better. I think when people dismiss it as a bunch of crap, then all they're really doing is trying to justify their own lifestyle choices. To me, people who can draw strength from their faith are more powerfull than their critics. Whatever, I don't really have any reason to not believe in God other than, I just don't. But part of me wishes I did
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Why do people live they're lives by the bible then? why should people believe in what it says? why has it been proved that most of is bullshit anyway, and why if its used in churches, and the Pope uses it, should it not be taken seriously? they certainly take it serious.

I'm asking, not taking the piss out of anyone.
well, a lot of us believe that a study of the Bible results in not a brain-washing or the discovery of an agenda, but the 'Truth' with a capital T.

also, you can read through the Bible, specifically lessons in the New Testament, and not come out as some goofy guy who thinks they need to speak in tongues, wear a suit to church every sunday at 6am, get water dropped on their head, bomb abortion clinics, beat up gays, call alcohol evil, test their faith by holding poisonous snakes, believe they're special for seeing an image of the virgin mary in a tostada, etc etc etc etc etc.

as was pointed out, the 'rules' that are out there aren't particularly harmful. avoiding drunkedness is a> healthier b> reduces chances for a drunk driving incident. avoiding promiscuous sex helps with a> std's b>unwanted pregnancy, and so forth.

it's just that so much has been so corrupted by so many for so long, particularly the quote unquote official church - the catholic church - that very many people have a very skewed and jaded view of God and the Bible altogether -- and rightly so.
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