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Old 27 Nov 2006, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Reuters news agency has today reported on Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski's assertions that outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. This is an issue we broke over a year ago but at the time it was the subject of a media blackout.

Karpinski, who ran the prison until early 2004, told Spanish newspaper El Pais that she saw a memorandum signed by Rumsfeld detailing the use of harsh interrogation methods.

"The handwritten signature was above his printed name and in the same handwriting in the margin was written: "Make sure this is accomplished"," she said.

"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

In October 2005 Karpinski appeared on the Alex Jones Show to make the revelations. We subsequently put out a report detailing her claims and also the fact that she was deliberately kept out of the loop and scapegoated to protect higher ups.

Karpinski was the only general punished in the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Her Army Reserve unit was in charge of the prison compound when Iraqi detainees were physically abused and sexually humiliated by military police and intelligence soldiers in the fall of 2003.

Karpinski had previously admitted that rather than being an isolated incident under her command, the abuses were, "the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington." Spun as the actions of "a few bad apples," the Abu Ghraib torture program was sanctioned from the very top.

The fact that this information is only coming out now proves that the corporate controlled mainstream media was too cowardly to report, or under specific orders not to report the claims a year ago, when Rumsfeld was still in office. Once again this proves that the alternative media is light years ahead of the mainstream and highlights how controlled and restricted the mainstream is now.

A criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, is currently being sought in Germany for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Karpinski will be the star witness should it go to trial.

Along with Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Tenet, the other defendants in the case are Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone; former assistant attorney general Jay Bybee; former deputy assistant attorney general John Yoo; General Counsel for the Department of Defense William James Haynes II; and David S. Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff. Senior military officers named in the filing are General Ricardo Sanchez, the former top Army official in Iraq; Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the former commander of Guantanamo; senior Iraq commander, Major General Walter Wojdakowski; and Col. Thomas Pappas, the one-time head of military intelligence at Abu Ghraib.

Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world.

It seems that Rumsfeld and this merry gang, may of which are no longer in office, have been thrown to the wolves by their masters, used as sacrificial lambs to take the fall for the rest of the criminals at the very top that are still running the government.

Bush and Cheney should be a part of this criminal investigation too, after all Bush is the decider. In the 2005 Alex Jones interview, Karpinski identified the masterminds of the torture policy as occupying the highest rungs of the Bush administration.

"The orders came right from the top, filtered down from the secretary of defense, with the endorsement of the President, the Vice President, whatever advisors are surrounding them, filtered down through the Commanders in the field, these practices were not only endorsed, but were in use at Guantanamo bay and in locations in Afghanistan. And when General Miller visited Iraq he brought those techniques with him. And then he sent contract interrogators who had 'performed well' at Guantanamo Bay to Iraq as well."

So although the orders came from Rumsfeld's office they were approved by Bush and Cheney. Why should they be exempt from war crimes investigations?

In 2005, Dick Cheney tried to amend Sen. John McCain's anti-torture bill to exempt the CIA. Bush wrote a "signing" statement to the bill, declaring that he is exempted from its provisions.

His declaration gives him authority above congressional law. His authority gives him the right to blame others for his misdeeds.

How long will this authority last?

Bush is also planning to abolish parts of the War Crimes Act of 1996 that makes it a felony to commit grave violations of the Geneva Conventions. He is systematically re-writing laws that could make him accountable for previous crimes against humanity.

The War Crimes Act was little noticed until the disclosure of Alberto Gonzales's infamous 2002 "torture memo." Gonzales, then serving as presidential counsel, advised President Bush to declare that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to people the United States captured in Afghanistan. That, Gonzales wrote, "substantially reduced the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act."

Bush signed the memo and OK 'd torture, how is he exempt from the same treatment as Rumsfeld et al?

Karpinski also stated in 2005 that even though innocent detainees had been deemed of no further Intel use and were recommended to be released by their interrogators, the higher uppers read the riot act and started a pattern whereby no one was to be released and innocent people were kept locked up without trial or charges.

She went on to speak about the direct links to Bush himself:

"We can trace back now, through documents that were released through court order, back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzales reviewed and discussed with the President of the United States, a departure from the Geneva Convention. These are not prisoners, these are terrorists and these techniques will be more effective." She said.

The Geneva Convention says prisoners of war should suffer "no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" to secure information.

"Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind," the document states.

In December 2002, before the invasion of Iraq, Rumsfeld personally approved a variety of torture techniques for detainees at Guantanamo. A PBS documentary highlighted a memo in which he had written: “I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing [by prisoners] limited to four hours?”

These and other torture methods were made standard practice and transferred to the prisons in Iraq. The official US Army report listed all the abuses committed at the Abu Ghraib prison. These methods are standard use in the 'Copper Green' worldwide torture program.

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

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a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and ***** to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee; [Rape]

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees (after detainees were beaten to death).


Karpinski also previously revealed that children, some as young as eleven, were tortured at Abu Ghraib.

The philosophy of the Bush administration's approach to torture is encapsulated by John “torture” Yoo, professor of law at Berkeley, co-author of the PATRIOT Act, author of torture memos and White House advisor.

During a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel, John Yoo gave the green light for the scope of torture to legally include sexual torture of infants.

Cassel: If the president deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?

Yoo: No treaty.

Cassel: Also no law by Congress — that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo…
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.



The boot-licking U.S. Senate then gave Bush the legal authority to abduct and sexually mutilate American citizens and American children in secret in the name of the war on terror. There is nothing in the recent "detainee" legislation that protects American citizens from being kidnapped by their own government, tortured and detained without trial.

By the very framework that has been established within this context, the Bush administration, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT, has attempted to sell the justification of crushing a child's genitals in the name of the war on terror. No you haven't entered the twilight zone, you are witnessing the absolute sacking and moral decay of everything that used to be America.

The mainstream media still does not report the reality of the situation and will continue to focus solely on the now spent Rumsfeld when in reality the whole pack of criminals should be brought to book.
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"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

Now i didn't read this whole thing cuz i'm busy but if it were left up to me i would have done alot worse then makeing them sit uncomfortably.

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If you want torture, just read about what Muslim extremists do to their prisoners...that's actual torture.

Shit...fraternities do worse shit than that when they're initiating pledges...

Torture...

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I work for an international corporation that operates with no debt, has killer stock (and options, might I add... ) and pretty much pwns the shit out of any other workplaces I've spent time in, and I've worked for some damn good, damn successful companies.

I'm good, thanks.

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That's not toruture. Make them listen to this song on a loop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKKFhHpFFVE

Now that's torture!!!

Seriously why should we have a drop of humanity for those scumbags? They do worse shit to our soldiers than we do to them.
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That's not toruture. Make them listen to this song on a loop

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Now that's torture!!!

Seriously why should we have a drop of humanity for those scumbags? They do worse shit to our soldiers than we do to them.
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