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British authorities thwart terror plot to blow up several aircraft
Danica Kirka, Canadian Press
Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006


LONDON - British authorities said Thursday they thwarted a terrorist plot to simultaneously blow up several aircraft heading to the United States using explosives smuggled in hand luggage, averting what police described as “mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”

Police arrested 21 people, saying they were confident they captured the main suspects in what U.S. officials said was a plot in its final phases that had all the earmarks of an al-Qaida operation. U.S. President George W. Bush called it a “stark reminder” of the continued threat to the United States from extremist Muslims.

Officials raised security to its highest level in Britain - suggesting a terrorist attack might be imminent - and banned carry-on luggage on all flights. Huge crowds backed up at security barriers at London’s Heathrow airport as officials searching for explosives barred nearly every form of liquid outside of baby formula.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the terrorists planned to use liquid explosives disguised as beverages and other common products and set them off with detonators disguised as electronic devices.

The extreme measures at a major international aviation hub sent ripples throughout the world. Heathrow was closed to most flights from Europe, and British Airways cancelled all its flights between the airport and points in Britain, Europe and Libya. Numerous flights from U.S. cities to Britain were cancelled.

Tony Douglas, Heathrow’s managing director, said the airport hoped to resume normal operations Friday, but passengers would still face delays and a ban on cabin baggage “for the foreseeable future.”

“At this point in time it is unclear how long these restrictions will remain in place,” he said.

Washington raised its threat alert to its highest level for commercial flights from Britain to the United States amid fears the plot had not been completely crushed. The alert for all flights coming or going from the United States was also raised slightly.

Two U.S. counterterrorism officials said the terrorists had targeted United Airlines, American Airlines and Continental Airlines. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

A U.S. intelligence official said the plotters had hoped to target flights to major airports in New York, Washington and California.

British Home Secretary John Reid said the 21 people were arrested in London, its suburbs and Birmingham following a lengthy investigation, including the alleged “main players” in the plot. Searches continued in a number of locations.

The British Broadcasting Corp. said police were evacuating homes in High Wycombe, a town 48 kilometres northwest of London, near one of the houses being searched. Police refused to confirm the report or to discuss any details of the searches.

Bush said during a visit to Green Bay, Wis., that the foiled plot was a “stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists.” Despite increased security since Sept. 11, he warned, “It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America.”

While British officials declined to publicly identify the 21 suspects, French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said in Paris Thursday that they “appear to be of Pakistani origin.” He did not give a source for his description, but said French officials had been in close contact with British authorities.

The suspects were “homegrown,” though it was not immediately clear if they were all British citizens, said a British police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case. Police were working closely with the South Asian community, the official said.

The suicide bombing assault on London subway trains and a bus on July 7, 2005, was carried out by Muslim extremists who grew up in Britain.

The police official said the plotters intended to simultaneously target multiple planes bound for the United States.

“We think this was an extraordinarily serious plot and we are confident that we’ve prevented an attempt to commit mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson said.

Prime Minister Tony Blair, vacationing in the Caribbean, briefed Bush on the situation overnight. Blair issued a statement praising the co-operation between the two countries, saying it “underlines the threat we face and our determination to counter it.”

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Bush also had been briefed by his aides while at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, where he has been on vacation.

“We do believe the plot involved flights from the U.K. to the U.S. and was a direct threat to the United States,” Snow said.

While Snow called the plot a serious threat, he assured Americans that “it is safe to travel.”

Chertoff, the homeland security chief, said the plot had the hallmarks of an operation planned by al-Qaida, the terrorist group behind the Sept. 11 attack on the United States.

“It was sophisticated, it had a lot of members and it was international in scope. It was in some respects suggestive of an al-Qaida plot,” Chertoff said, but he cautioned it was too early in the investigation to reach any conclusions.

It is the first time the red alert level in the Homeland Security warning system has been invoked, although there have been brief periods in the past when the orange level was applied. Homeland Security defines the red alert as designating a “severe risk of terrorist attacks.”

“We believe that these arrests (in London) have significantly disrupted the threat, but we cannot be sure that the threat has been entirely eliminated or the plot completely thwarted,” Chertoff said.

He added, however, there was no indication of current plots within the United States.
Chertoff said the plotters were in the final stages of planning. “We were really getting quite close to the execution phase,” he said, adding that it was unclear if the plot was linked to the upcoming fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said authorities believe dozens of people - possibly as many as 50 - were involved in the plot. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

The plan involved airline passengers hiding masked explosives in carry-on luggage, the official said. “They were not yet sitting on an airplane,” but were very close to ravelling, the official said, calling the plot “the real deal.”

Passengers in Britain faced delays as tighter security was hastily enforced at the country’s airports and additional measures were put in place for all flights. Laptop computers, mobile phones, iPods, and remote controls were among the items banned from being carried on board.

Liquids, such as hair care products, were also barred on flights in both Britain and the U.S.

In the mid-1990s, officials foiled a plan by terrorist mastermind Ramzi Youssef to blow up 12 Western jetliners simultaneously over the Pacific. The alleged plot involved improvised bombs using liquid hidden in contact lens solution containers.

Huge lines formed at ticket counters and behind security barriers at Heathrow and other airports in Britain. Most European carriers cancelled flights to Heathrow because of the massive delays created after authorities enforced strict new regulations banning most hand baggage.

Security also was stepped up at train stations serving airports across Britain, said British Transport Police spokeswoman Jan O’Neill. At London’s Victoria Station, police patrolled platforms with bomb-sniffing dogs as passengers boarded trains carrying clear plastic bags.
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Too many people forget...not just the WTC, but the Tubes in Britain, the Bombings in Bali and Spain...

We're at war. Or at least, they're at war with us...and the worst thing is that they're patient enough to wait until the Nationwide Group ADD thing sets in and everyone gets comfortable and thinks there's no need for Homeland Security and Leno starts laughing at things like being at Terror Level Orange...so they can try something like this.

The farther we get from September of 2001, the more the mindless sheep push it to the back of their minds. I hope this serves as a reminder.

Your thoughts on the day being saved for now??

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And so, we're raising the Terror Alert Level to intense orange-red, based on very credible, detailed information on a non-specific threat. Could it be a hijacking? Absolutely possible. Chemical or biological agent? You bet it could happen. Suicide bomber? Hey, you never know. But what we do know is that it's absolutely, positively gonna happen today... maybe.
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We still fear offending people more than we fear a firey death at the hands of the religion of peace. The suspects look one way... so we check the others. We're looking for a 6'6" arab with a 3'3" beard, so we check the nuns. We are going to lose this war if we continue thinking this way.
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fellers...ya can't fight a war against an idea.

you need a country to declare war on.

Declaring war on things hasn't realy been workin out...

War on Drugs? remember?
War on Terrorism?...we CANNOT win this war.

As long as we exist as a nation, someone somewhere will hate us.
Shit...we aren't even targeting all the different groups of terrorists. We're ignoring bunches of em...we're at war with one terrorist group.
I'm thinkin...declaring war on an idea isn't gonna help gain us any popularity points.

The answer is better defense....and stealthy attacks not broadcast on CNN. Assassinate the muddafuckas...
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So we should just bend over and let Jihad spit on it's pole and go for the gold??

Thanks but I'd rather die behind the chemical shed.

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So we should just bend over and let Jihad spit on it's pole and go for the gold??

Thanks but I'd rather die behind the chemical shed.

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so lets go bomb all the brown people...one of em had to be responsible for 9/11.
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so lets go bomb all the brown people...one of em had to be responsible for 9/11.
I realize that's how the "Cincinnati Way" and everything...but cracka please...don't be so pedestrian.

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I realize that's how the "Cincinnati Way" and everything...but cracka please...don't be so pedestrian.

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What if a German official was assassinated by an angry Jewish American acting on the part of Jewish decendants of Holocaust survivors....the American people would of course deny all culpability. We weren't responsible.

However, what if Germany decided someone had to pay...and they wanted all the members of this group turned over to them?

Odds are, America won't find all the members...even if they actually did allow them to be turned over.

Would it still be kosher if Germany decided to start bombing all Jewish Americans until they felt confidant that they had eliminated the "terrorists"?

Far fetched scenario...but entertain me.
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You and your hypotheticals.

The reality of the situation is that Islamo-Fascists want you and your family dead. They don't know you, they don't know your family, but because you're American, they want you dead. A couple of decades ago, they discovered the secrets of how to make bombs with over the counter merchandise. That's roughly when they set their sites on destroying the World Trade Center in New York City.

They accomplished that, and now they've set the bar higher. Every ethnic Hebrew and every American dead. That's their new goal.

You want to pretend everything's fine and we should just live and let them kill then that's great. Keep going with your hypotheticals and what ifs.

I go by what I see in the news...you know...the stuff that actually happened.

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You and your hypotheticals.

The reality of the situation is that Islamo-Fascists want you and your family dead. They don't know you, they don't know your family, but because you're American, they want you dead. A couple of decades ago, they discovered the secrets of how to make bombs with over the counter merchandise. That's roughly when they set their sites on destroying the World Trade Center in New York City.

They accomplished that, and now they've set the bar higher. Every ethnic Hebrew and every American dead. That's their new goal.

You want to pretend everything's fine and we should just live and let them kill then that's great. Keep going with your hypotheticals and what ifs.

I go by what I see in the news...you know...the stuff that actually happened.

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An extremist group....
Not a country...which is what we're blowing up....not an individual

An EXTREMIST group

That'd be like China declaring war on Conservative Republicans....
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What if a German official was assassinated by an angry Jewish American acting on the part of Jewish decendants of Holocaust survivors....the American people would of course deny all culpability. We weren't responsible.

However, what if Germany decided someone had to pay...and they wanted all the members of this group turned over to them?

Odds are, America won't find all the members...even if they actually did allow them to be turned over.

Would it still be kosher if Germany decided to start bombing all Jewish Americans until they felt confidant that they had eliminated the "terrorists"?

Far fetched scenario...but entertain me.


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You and your hypotheticals.

The reality of the situation is that Islamo-Fascists want you and your family dead. They don't know you, they don't know your family, but because you're American, they want you dead. A couple of decades ago, they discovered the secrets of how to make bombs with over the counter merchandise. That's roughly when they set their sites on destroying the World Trade Center in New York City.

They accomplished that, and now they've set the bar higher. Every ethnic Hebrew and every American dead. That's their new goal.

You want to pretend everything's fine and we should just live and let them kill then that's great. Keep going with your hypotheticals and what ifs.

I go by what I see in the news...you know...the stuff that actually happened.

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What if I become a Canadian? Will they want to kill me then?

But all kidding aside, I'm with Glue one this one. Sure, there are other terrorist networks out there, but to ignore the one that just attacked us, simply to go out and eliminate all the other networks...leaving them to plot, and possibly carry out another devistating attack on the United States is ludacris.

I agree that you need to address more than one problem if your going to attempt to carry out a "war" on this large of a scale, but some people just demand more attention than others. Quite honestly, I would want to go after the people that killed 3,000 Americans, rather than 150. Sure I would still be going after the people who killed those 150, but my attention would be more twards the groups that have caused the most damage.

So I say we go after Jihad. I say that every islamic family, wether they like it or not, should be a suspect. Fact is we are at war, and nobody can be taken lightly.

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An extremist group....
Not a country...which is what we're blowing up....not an individual

An EXTREMIST group

That'd be like China declaring war on Conservative Republicans....
I'm not quite sure I fully understand what your trying to say, but I would like to ask you if you've forgotten about the war in Afganistan? We are over there bombing the Taliban, not the Afganies themselves.

I still consider the war in Iraq complete B.S. First they had WMDs, then it was to take out Saddam, then it was to establish a base in the middle east to help spread peace and democracy throughout the land.
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I go by what I see in the news...you know...the stuff that actually happened.

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The stuff in the news? like the American soldiers comitting war crimes? like the United States breaking international laws which it helped put into place? like hundreds of innocent people dying because we're after a handful of people?

I understand the concept of revenge...I fucking love it. I could jack off to the idea of brutalizing the fuckers who have done me wrong. However I can't get behind the idea of killing innocent people just to get my revenge on one person. If the someone fucked me up, I'm not gonna blow up the place he works just to kill him.
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An extremist group....
Not a country...which is what we're blowing up....not an individual

An EXTREMIST group

That'd be like China declaring war on Conservative Republicans....
There you keep going with your "that'd be like" scenarios. Reality is that Islamo-Fascists want to blow up America. I'm sorry we can't pin them down to one populace in one country to make it all neat and clean for you Kurt...but we can't and they still want to kill us all.

Times are changing, people are changing...war has changed and will change again. It's not 1941 anymore, pops. You can't point at a single group of people and say "THOSE BASTARDS ALL NEED TO DIE."

Again, I know that they go for that broad generalization/racist thing in the Nati where you breathe...but the real world ain't like that.

And BTW...what are we blowing up?? Through the use of intelligence and international task forces, we stopped a bunch of extremists from turning planes into bombs for the second time in the last 5 years. We stopped things from blowing up before the fact.

I dunno...I see that as good news, but hey...that's just me. Commence your bending over and presentation though...don't let me stop you from inviting the great big dick of Islamic Death into your anus.

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The stuff in the news? like the American soldiers comitting war crimes? like the United States breaking international laws which it helped put into place? like hundreds of innocent people dying because we're after a handful of people?

I understand the concept of revenge...I fucking love it. I could jack off to the idea of brutalizing the fuckers who have done me wrong. However I can't get behind the idea of killing innocent people just to get my revenge on one person. If the someone fucked me up, I'm not gonna blow up the place he works just to kill him.
We arn't after just one person though.
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I say that every islamic family, wether they like it or not, should be a suspect. Fact is we are at war, and nobody can be taken lightly.
I guarantee you that there are probably some muslim people in your city. I will guarantee you that they knew nothing of the attacks prior to them happening.

How about we take these citizens from their homes, lets round them all up in internment camps just to be safe?

People wonder why Bush gets compared to Hitler...this is why...The perception is that he's decided to take out the muslims.
Hitler...Jews...Bush....Muslims... are we making a connection.

You have decided that genocide is an appropriate retaliation to 9/11.

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Really?...damn, must've missed that

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