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Old 28 Mar 2006, 04:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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suspicous Uhhh...who's the victim here??

Attorney says minister’s wife ‘very confused’
Preliminary hearing Thursday for mother of 3 accused of killing husband

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Updated: 9:36 a.m. ET March 28, 2006

SELMER, Tenn. - Mary Winkler, the woman charged with killing her minister husband, is “very confused and overwhelmed” by what’s happening, her lawyer told NBC News on Tuesday.

She is “very detached, very detached from the gravity of the overall situation, very reserved, very quiet, very confused and overwhelmed,” Steve Forese said on the “Today” show.

Winkler, 32, on Monday wore shackles and clutched her attorney’s hand as she was escorted into the courtroom. She did not enter a plea. Her only words were “no, sir” when the judge asked if she had any questions after he read the complaint against her and explained her rights.

Winkler is charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of her husband, Matthew Winkler, minister at Fourth Street Church of Christ in this small town 80 miles east of Memphis.

General Sessions Court Judge Bob Gray delayed a decision on bail until a preliminary hearing, set for Thursday.

Authorities have said Mary Winkler confessed to killing her husband on Wednesday and then leaving town with their three young daughters, though officials have not suggested a motive for the attack. The minister was found dead that night in the church parsonage.

Mary Winkler was apprehended late Thursday in Orange Beach, Ala., after authorities issued an Amber alert for the children, who are now in the custody of their grandparents.

Defense attorney Leslie Ballin declined to answer questions about Mary Winkler’s state of mind but said the defense might order a psychological exam later.

Motive remains unclear
Farese said Monday that investigators had not disclosed to him what motive, if any, Mary Winkler had given them.

Asked if the couple had marital problems, Farese said, “Have you ever been in a relationship? They all have some problems.”

Prosecutor Elizabeth Rice fended off questions from reporters, saying all the evidence would be presented in court later.

One front row in the small courtroom Monday was filled with members of the Winklers’ church, all women. Several sobbed and dabbed their eyes with tissues.

“It hurts us very much, but we’re going to stand behind her 100 percent,” church member Anita Whirley said after the hearing.

The defendant’s father was escorted from the courtroom by a sheriff’s deputy.

Clark Freeman declined to answer reporters’ questions except to say that his daughter was doing “as well as she can.”
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Ummmmm...so...who is the victim?? Who cares how she's doing?? Who cares if she's confused?? Life in prison or life in a sanitarium...what's the big deal??

Seriously...this practice the media has of making celebrities out of criminals and their attorneys simply has to stop. Now.

Your thoughts??

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Attorney says minister’s wife ‘very confused’
Preliminary hearing Thursday for mother of 3 accused of killing husband

NBC, MSNBC and news services
Updated: 9:36 a.m. ET March 28, 2006

SELMER, Tenn. - Mary Winkler, the woman charged with killing her minister husband, is “very confused and overwhelmed” by what’s happening, her lawyer told NBC News on Tuesday.

She is “very detached, very detached from the gravity of the overall situation, very reserved, very quiet, very confused and overwhelmed,” Steve Forese said on the “Today” show.

Winkler, 32, on Monday wore shackles and clutched her attorney’s hand as she was escorted into the courtroom. She did not enter a plea. Her only words were “no, sir” when the judge asked if she had any questions after he read the complaint against her and explained her rights.

Winkler is charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of her husband, Matthew Winkler, minister at Fourth Street Church of Christ in this small town 80 miles east of Memphis.

General Sessions Court Judge Bob Gray delayed a decision on bail until a preliminary hearing, set for Thursday.

Authorities have said Mary Winkler confessed to killing her husband on Wednesday and then leaving town with their three young daughters, though officials have not suggested a motive for the attack. The minister was found dead that night in the church parsonage.

Mary Winkler was apprehended late Thursday in Orange Beach, Ala., after authorities issued an Amber alert for the children, who are now in the custody of their grandparents.

Defense attorney Leslie Ballin declined to answer questions about Mary Winkler’s state of mind but said the defense might order a psychological exam later.

Motive remains unclear
Farese said Monday that investigators had not disclosed to him what motive, if any, Mary Winkler had given them.

Asked if the couple had marital problems, Farese said, “Have you ever been in a relationship? They all have some problems.”

Prosecutor Elizabeth Rice fended off questions from reporters, saying all the evidence would be presented in court later.

One front row in the small courtroom Monday was filled with members of the Winklers’ church, all women. Several sobbed and dabbed their eyes with tissues.

“It hurts us very much, but we’re going to stand behind her 100 percent,” church member Anita Whirley said after the hearing.

The defendant’s father was escorted from the courtroom by a sheriff’s deputy.

Clark Freeman declined to answer reporters’ questions except to say that his daughter was doing “as well as she can.”
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Ummmmm...so...who is the victim?? Who cares how she's doing?? Who cares if she's confused?? Life in prison or life in a sanitarium...what's the big deal??

Seriously...this practice the media has of making celebrities out of criminals and their attorneys simply has to stop. Now.

Your thoughts??

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the hold confused thing seems to be an act for her to try and get out of it being first degree murder. She killed him they know it, so i don't see why she just doesn't get thrown into jail.

It makes me sick the things people get off of now a days..
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Old 28 Mar 2006, 06:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Until a motive surfaces, she killed another person without just-cause. She should be put to death. Of course it will be by gas or needle, but it should be hanging.
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I did. Remember?? You're just following me around acting like a little bitch posting after every post I put down because...well, because hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

You're probably sitting there wishing you had a pic of my kids so you could Photoshop them onto something because that's all you can really do.

Sure...you can take a run at numbfuck SC or plainjane Josh or complete moron Alex or can't get out of his own way Boston...but I don't agree with you about Barry and it's "Rueben Droughns this" "weed that" "your kids this" "Look at me and my halo over my head that."

Whatever. First of all, you don't have any depth of knowledge about any of that stuff, so you're just talking out of your ass. Secondly, you wouldn't be saying any of that shit if Barry Bonds wasn't some roided up freak who you're in love with.

It's fucking gay. I have better things to do than deal with someone who can't even debate a point, rather changes the subject again and again to deflect the fact that he's dead wrong. It's what dumbass 6th graders do...


I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion. Like I told Alex, they're just words on a screen. I can't believe you don't get that concept...but okay.

I mean...you're the kind of guy that thinks if you yell louder than the other person, you will win a debate. And that's not new either...I've pretty much thought that about you from day one...

I didn't want to put it that way, but since you want to press on...

Lame dude. Just lame. I have better shit to do. You probably should too...but I'm betting you don't...

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Until a motive surfaces, she killed another person without just-cause. She should be put to death. Of course it will be by gas or needle, but it should be hanging.
Am I the only person who supports building collapses and live cremation as death penalty?
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Until a motive surfaces, she killed another person without just-cause. She should be put to death. Of course it will be by gas or needle, but it should be hanging.
Is killing someone because they killed someone 'just-cause'?
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Is killing someone because they killed someone 'just-cause'?
Until a motive surfaces, she killed her husband for no valid reason. Which means she is a cold-blooded killer. Yes she deserves to die.

Let me explain. It isn't becasue life is sacred, life isn't. However, everybody has a right to live. Not everybody has a right to be murdered.

If someome out of the blue just went an off-ed a Business Criminial or a chronic thief, that is okay. The motive was to kill a scumbag. I'm all for that. It is sort of an Poplation Cleansing. You weed out the shit, and leave just the good.

In this case, there appears to be no motive. It appreas this crazy bitch just killed her innocent husband. She is crazy and a murderer, which means she is a scumbag and should be weeded out.
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I did. Remember?? You're just following me around acting like a little bitch posting after every post I put down because...well, because hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

You're probably sitting there wishing you had a pic of my kids so you could Photoshop them onto something because that's all you can really do.

Sure...you can take a run at numbfuck SC or plainjane Josh or complete moron Alex or can't get out of his own way Boston...but I don't agree with you about Barry and it's "Rueben Droughns this" "weed that" "your kids this" "Look at me and my halo over my head that."

Whatever. First of all, you don't have any depth of knowledge about any of that stuff, so you're just talking out of your ass. Secondly, you wouldn't be saying any of that shit if Barry Bonds wasn't some roided up freak who you're in love with.

It's fucking gay. I have better things to do than deal with someone who can't even debate a point, rather changes the subject again and again to deflect the fact that he's dead wrong. It's what dumbass 6th graders do...


I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion. Like I told Alex, they're just words on a screen. I can't believe you don't get that concept...but okay.

I mean...you're the kind of guy that thinks if you yell louder than the other person, you will win a debate. And that's not new either...I've pretty much thought that about you from day one...

I didn't want to put it that way, but since you want to press on...

Lame dude. Just lame. I have better shit to do. You probably should too...but I'm betting you don't...

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However, everybody has a right to live.
Thanks, I only need to quote my response.
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Is killing someone because they killed someone 'just-cause'?
Correct. I don't think there should be a death penalty at all. No matter how bad of a crime you committed you shouldn't be killed for it. That isn't right. One mistake can turn a person's life upside down and they should not be killed for it. I agree they should be sent to jail or to some place where they can learn from their mistakes and try to correct them.

As UT said everybody has the right to live.
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Old 02 Apr 2006, 06:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree they should be sent to jail or to some place where they can learn from their mistakes and try to correct them.

As UT said everybody has the right to live.
That isn't enough. If they are sent to prison, that is where they will live the rest of their lives, which is usually twenty years or longer. We, the law-abiding citizens, have to pay to keep those scumbags alive. That is wrong. Just as wrong as the crime the perp committed.

You are miscontruding my statement.
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I did. Remember?? You're just following me around acting like a little bitch posting after every post I put down because...well, because hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

You're probably sitting there wishing you had a pic of my kids so you could Photoshop them onto something because that's all you can really do.

Sure...you can take a run at numbfuck SC or plainjane Josh or complete moron Alex or can't get out of his own way Boston...but I don't agree with you about Barry and it's "Rueben Droughns this" "weed that" "your kids this" "Look at me and my halo over my head that."

Whatever. First of all, you don't have any depth of knowledge about any of that stuff, so you're just talking out of your ass. Secondly, you wouldn't be saying any of that shit if Barry Bonds wasn't some roided up freak who you're in love with.

It's fucking gay. I have better things to do than deal with someone who can't even debate a point, rather changes the subject again and again to deflect the fact that he's dead wrong. It's what dumbass 6th graders do...


I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion. Like I told Alex, they're just words on a screen. I can't believe you don't get that concept...but okay.

I mean...you're the kind of guy that thinks if you yell louder than the other person, you will win a debate. And that's not new either...I've pretty much thought that about you from day one...

I didn't want to put it that way, but since you want to press on...

Lame dude. Just lame. I have better shit to do. You probably should too...but I'm betting you don't...

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That isn't enough. If they are sent to prison, that is where they will live the rest of their lives, which is usually twenty years or longer. We, the law-abiding citizens, have to pay to keep those scumbags alive. That is wrong. Just as wrong as the crime the perp committed.

You are miscontruding my statement.
If we have to pay for people to turn their lives around then so be it. Money was made for a reason and if it means saving one person's life then that is what I use my money for.

Don't get me wrong though not all criminals are like this.
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If we have to pay for people to turn their lives around then so be it. Money was made for a reason and if it means saving one person's life then that is what I use my money for.
Yeah ummm...I don't work hard for some scum rotting away in a cell. Once you get a real job and know what its like to work 40 hours a week I think your opinion will change.
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Yeah ummm...I don't work hard for some scum rotting away in a cell. Once you get a real job and know what its like to work 40 hours a week I think your opinion will change.
Oh I don't doubt that. I know what it means to work long and then blow away your money on something that you don't even get anything from but that is what it means to me to be a citizen of America. I always donate a little bit of whatever money I make to charity.
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Your money isn't being donated and it isn't going to charity. It is being taken from you to pay for a scumbag.

Prison should rehab, it should be for punishment. Rehab is a program to help those who seek help. Prison is for those that don't learn from their mistakes, therefore they should be punished for being an ignorant scumbag.
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I did. Remember?? You're just following me around acting like a little bitch posting after every post I put down because...well, because hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

You're probably sitting there wishing you had a pic of my kids so you could Photoshop them onto something because that's all you can really do.

Sure...you can take a run at numbfuck SC or plainjane Josh or complete moron Alex or can't get out of his own way Boston...but I don't agree with you about Barry and it's "Rueben Droughns this" "weed that" "your kids this" "Look at me and my halo over my head that."

Whatever. First of all, you don't have any depth of knowledge about any of that stuff, so you're just talking out of your ass. Secondly, you wouldn't be saying any of that shit if Barry Bonds wasn't some roided up freak who you're in love with.

It's fucking gay. I have better things to do than deal with someone who can't even debate a point, rather changes the subject again and again to deflect the fact that he's dead wrong. It's what dumbass 6th graders do...


I honestly don't give a fuck about your opinion. Like I told Alex, they're just words on a screen. I can't believe you don't get that concept...but okay.

I mean...you're the kind of guy that thinks if you yell louder than the other person, you will win a debate. And that's not new either...I've pretty much thought that about you from day one...

I didn't want to put it that way, but since you want to press on...

Lame dude. Just lame. I have better shit to do. You probably should too...but I'm betting you don't...

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I know it's not in context with the original article but...

If a motherfucker ever shot anyone in my family, then they're fucking dead one way or the other.

If the state does it or I do, they're fucking dead.

If you commit premeditated murder under no realistic duress, then yes...you deserve to die. Premeditated murder = Murder 1 = The Needle.

And yes, I'd stand before a jury and say "You didn't kill the fucker so I did. Go head and kill me, now that my family's been killed I ain't got much else to live for, bitches."

Either that or plead Temp Insanity and have a 99.87% chance of walking free.

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Oh I don't doubt that. I know what it means to work long and then blow away your money on something that you don't even get anything from but that is what it means to me to be a citizen of America. I always donate a little bit of whatever money I make to charity.
Charity is one thing. I always donate around 600 dollars around different charities every year and I feel good about that and that's my reward.

However I don't have a single drop of good feeling when I know that some of the money I pay to the goverment goes to a rapist, a thief or a fucking murderer who plead guilty to get away from the death penalty. And I still don't like the idea of maintaining a death row inmate for a shit load of years til he get eliminated.

I'm a death penalty supporter because I refuse to maintain some scumbag who killed a kid, an elderly person, a cop o any other person. If you killed someone you deserve to recieve the same fate. And I don't think an inmate sould get the same or better benefits than the people ouside a jail cell.

And Eaux I like your idea of a live cremation. I also like live executions, angry mob beatings, and acid dipping.
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