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Old 17 Mar 2006, 11:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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China drops case against NY Times researcher
By Chris Buckley
Fri Mar 17, 6:59 AM ET

BEIJING (Reuters) - In a surprise concession, China on Friday dropped a case against New York Times researcher Zhao Yan that was threatening to overshadow Chinese President Hu Jintao's upcoming visit to the United States.

His attorney, Mo Shaoping, also said he expected Zhao to be released in a matter of days after authorities dropped the charge of revealing state secrets, as well as a lesser fraud charge.

Mo said the court told him that prosecutors "applied to withdraw the charges and the Beijing court agreed."

"In effect, this means that only if new evidence or facts come up, can prosecutors revive these charges and I'm confident that's not going to happen," Mo said on Friday.

He said he did not know if the authorities would apply any conditions to Zhao's release. Chinese courts can sometimes put restrictions on the movements of released people.

The lawyer said it was unclear whether Zhao, who worked for the paper before his arrest in September 2004, would be sent abroad after his release.

He faced 10 years in jail after security officials charged him with telling the paper details of a rivalry between retired Communist Party leader, Jiang Zemin, and his successor, Hu.

Before starting work for the Times in 2004, Zhao established a reputation as a campaigning journalist who focused on rural corruption and discontent.

"One reason for his release was that the accusations were simply unsustainable. But more important was pressure from the United States government, especially with Hu Jintao going there," said Yu Meisun, a friend of Zhao who was himself jailed on national security charges years ago.
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Uhhhh...10 years for discussing a political rivalry??!

Okay...the fact that he was jailed and that charges of that nature with those potential consequences were brought against him is simply more proof that Communism requires subversion of the populace to maintain itself, and even if it's not required per say, it's still enforced.

Seriously...how ridiculous is that?? Today the AP reported that the Republicans are pissed at Bush and have been for a while. The guy who broke that story isn't in danger of being arrested and sentenced to 10 years in the hole, though...

Fuck Communism and Socialism. Fuck Mao...Fuck Marx...Fuck Fidel...and Fuck the collossal failure Che. Seriously...wake up and join the Free Fucking World.



Discuss your opinion on freedom and how happy you are to have it.

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I'm happy I have the freedom to ask this...

What is your problem with Communism/Socialism? I doubt you've ever been directly affected by it, although I'm happy to be corrected if this assumption is false.

And I'd also like to make it clear that I'm not a Communist, but I don't understand why you constantly bring it up just to flame it. It must be doing something right if China's on course to take over your own country as the biggest economy on the planet...
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I'm happy I have the freedom to ask this...

What is your problem with Communism/Socialism? I doubt you've ever been directly affected by it, although I'm happy to be corrected if this assumption is false.

And I'd also like to make it clear that I'm not a Communist, but I don't understand why you constantly bring it up just to flame it. It must be doing something right if China's on course to take over your own country as the biggest economy on the planet...
The country of China holds in its borders more than 20% of the world's population. 20%. One out of every five people on Earth is living in China. The fact that they aren't the biggest economy on the planet proves that they've been fucking up for a while now.

As for the reason I do this so often, and luckily for you living in Ireland, you get sheilded from it, it is because while the media itself leans to the Left of the political spectrum, Communism and Socialism get a lot of run over here.

It's all pretty vague...people talking about Public Health Care and how horrible Rich people are and such. Of course any number of Hollywood stars plug Communism and/or Socialism as a viable form of Government (Martin Sheen, Warren Beatty, Oliver Stone, Tommy Lee Jones, etc etc).

As for the problem I have with Communism...it's not really with Communism so much as it is a problem with Oppression. Oppression and Communism go hand in hand. As do Oppression and Facism, but no American Media Darling champions Facism as a viable form of government.

In all honesty, while certainly flawed and able to be taken advantage of, the Government we have in place here in the States is much better than Communism or really any other form of Government I've heard of.

But in America, and probably in New York, Massachussetts and California in particular, Communism gets a lot of face time and it sickens me.

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*Sigh*

And these guys are going to be the leaders of the "free" world in fifty years.

Too bad our students are too unmotivated to learn something and keep companies like Boeing from outsourcing their engineering department to RUSSIA. I guess they'd rather play with their I-Pods and watch Mtv than ensure that their country (that has given them everything) will remain dominant and able to give their children all the luxury that they fell ass-backwards into and more.
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And these guys are going to be the leaders of the free world in fifty years.

Too bad our students are too unmotivated to learn something and keep companies like Boeing from outsourcing their engineering department to RUSSIA. I guess they'd rather play with their I-Pods and watch Mtv than ensure that their country (that has given them everything) will remain dominant and able to give their children all the luxury that they fell ass-backwards into and more.
What guys are you speaking of??

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The Chinese. I should have put "free" in quotes. I edited and did.
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I don't mind not living in the dominant economy. America shouldn't be so insecure.
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I don't mind not living in the dominant economy. America shouldn't be so insecure.
We're not. We just don't sit quietly, or maybe you'd noticed?

Europeans shouldn't be such crackas.



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Well I thought I'd add some more "reasons" why I don't like Communism...

Like these nice Chinese guys interacting with this girl whose major crime is that she's an indigenous Tibetan...



And just so you know that the interaction went well...



Gee...I wonder where the top of her head went??

I should really stop being so insecure and cut those Commie Bastards a break...

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Wha...oh...eh...ah...ow...

Her head...
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Wha...oh...eh...ah...ow...

Her head...
Sorry...was totally unneccesary...it was late and I was in an over the top mood.

Although, the lovely ethnic cleansing program the Chinese are running in Tibet is just disgraceful. The fact that any country will deal with them on any level while they occupy Tibet is an atrocity in and of itself.

And of course it was Bill Clinton and in particular the envoy he sent to China, Human Rights Champion Al Gore who not only signed off on China's entry into the World Trade Organization, but when Human Rights Champion Al Gore went to China for this he made no reference to Tibet, made only one very vague and veiled reference to "Human Rights," but the kicker for me was dinner.

There was a massive state dinner. Gore was a center of attention because the Chinese needed America to sign off or else they wouldn't gain entry into the World Trade Organization. Again, the fact that a country that represented 20% of the World's Population wasn't in the World Trade Organization as far back as 1994 is as indicting a statement about China's economy as any but I digres...

Jiang Zemin or whatever his name was was there with pretty much everyone that mattered in the Chinese State Department. Well, another guy that was there was this dude, and I don't know his real name but he's called "The Butcher Of Tienneman Square."

Some of you may recall a several day long protest by Chinese College Students back in the 80s. They were protesting Communism and actually rallying for Democracy. Thousands of college kids sat down in Tienneman Square and demanded Democratic Reforms to the Chinese Government.

Anyway, this guy is called The Butcher Of Tienneman Square because he's the one who brought the rally to an end, by sending in troops and tanks and killing those kids. I'm not sure if all of them were killed but hundreds were. College Kids. Peacefully sitting down in Tienneman Square. This guy sent the tanks rolling.

I can't believe I actually have to say that...I never thought the world would forget that atrocity...and it happened right on our TVs because it was broadcast all over the world.

Well anyway, I digress again. The Butcher Of Tienneman Square stood up at dinner and raised his glass in toast to an established and hopefully continually successful diplomatic relationship between China and the United States. And many years to us all and huzzah...

Human Rights Champion Al Gore stood up and toasted with everyone else without missing a beat. Made me fucking sick.

But I'm rambling now...sorry about the pics.

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Sorry...was totally unneccesary...it was late and I was in an over the top mood.
I disagree. Sometimes a shock is nessecarry for us to remember what we are threatened with, and what we stand to lose if we were to ever succumb to authoritarianism by any name.

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