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Old 21 Feb 2006, 08:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Great Firewall of China : A Measure of Freedom
Bloggers Who Pursue Change Confront Fear And Mistrust


By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, February 21, 2006; Page A01

BEIJING -- When Zhao Jing moved his blog to Microsoft's popular MSN Spaces site last summer, some users worried the Chinese government would block the entire service. The censors had blacklisted the last site where the young journalist had posted his spirited political essays, and he seemed unwilling to tone down his writing at the new address.

But Zhao, better known by the pen name Anti, told fellow bloggers not to worry. If the government objected to his blog, he predicted, Microsoft would "sell me out" and delete it rather than risk being blocked from computer screens across China.

He was right. Four and a half months after he began posting essays challenging the Communist Party's taboo against discussing politics, Zhao published an item protesting the purge of a popular newspaper's top editors. Officials called Microsoft to complain, and Microsoft quickly erased his blog.

The December incident sparked outrage among bloggers around the world, and in Washington, members of Congress vowed to scrutinize how U.S. firms are helping the Chinese government censor the Internet. But the reaction inside China's growing community of Internet users was strikingly mixed.

Many rallied to support Zhao, but some objected to his "Western" views and said he deserved to be silenced. Others, especially those with a financial stake in the industry, said they worried Zhao's writing could lead officials to impose tighter controls on blogging. And a few said they were pleased that Microsoft had been forced to comply with the same censorship rules that its Chinese rivals obey.

The story of Zhao's blog -- and the ambivalence it met in cyberspace -- demonstrates that those trying to use the Internet to foster political change in China must contend not only with the censors but also with the apathy, fear and mistrust of their fellow citizens. The case also highlights the competing ethical and commercial pressures on companies seeking to profit from the Internet in China, including U.S. firms such as Microsoft, Yahoo and Google.

With as many as 16 million people in China writing blogs, the Internet has provided a platform for citizens to express their views, shattering the Communist Party's monopoly on the media. The state still controls newspaper, magazine and book publishing, but the proliferation of sites that let users publish and even broadcast audio and video online have undermined the party's ability to restrict who can address the public and attract an audience.

Many have used the Internet to produce essays, books and even underground films that question the party's authority. But surveys show most Internet users are members of the urban elite who are benefiting from China's booming economy and have avoided writing about politics.

As a result, people using the Internet to pursue change often encounter resistance, both from those hostile to their views and from others who sympathize but worry that pushing too hard could imperil the freedoms already gained on the Web.

The Internet firms empowering Chinese confront different problems. To build audiences, they often push the censors' limits by offering users an extra bit of news or freedom. But because they need government licenses, there is also an incentive for them to curry favor with the censors. In addition, U.S. firms such as Microsoft must face critics who say they have a duty to do more than their Chinese rivals to promote freedom.

After Zhao's blog was deleted, he posted a message online cursing Microsoft and the young Chinese programmers who are helping the Communist Party censor the Internet. But a few weeks later, he moderated his criticism of Microsoft, still expressing anger but also noting that MSN Spaces remains China's most lightly censored blog site.

"In this political system, everyone has to compromise," Zhao said. "It's not black and white. Many of the people who delete my essays are also my friends."
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The rest of the story is here. Just wanted to further illustrate the restrictions, dangers and evil of Communist Government for you.



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Old 21 Feb 2006, 09:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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A Communist government isn't evil. It could work on a small scale. And a capitalist government isn't exactly perfect, either...
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There hasn't been a Communist Government on this planet ever that didn't censor it's press, media and populace. And not "a little" censorship either, but mass censorship. I happen to believe that censorship is a building block of oppression. You and others may not see censorship as a big deal, but it is. People may not see oppression as evil, but it is.

And this stuff about how Communism "can work if..." should just die right now. Communism has never worked, and it will never work. If you have to oppress the citizenry, businesses and media to make your government work, then it's not a viable form of government.

Captialism isn't perfect...but neither's life. Capitalism is much much better than Communism, if for no other reason than a lack of censorship. Capitalism works for me and my family. Communists can lick my balls and try to oppress someone else.



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...But there is censorship in capitalism.
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I'm not censored. Noone in my family is, or has ever complained of it. Blogs don't get shut down for expressing dissidence with the government. Otherwise your ass would've been banned long ago.



I don't know what censorship you're talking about, but people are allowed to say what they want over here. If you're referring to TV shows, journalism, radio and such, the ability to make a living through that is always contingent on the employer, and not the government. Regardless of that, most of the media outlets in America are overseen by Liberals and Commies anyway, so what gets censored (or just "left out" using Liberal Spin Terminology) is mainly right-wing opinions and editorials.

If you read the article, you'd see that that is not the case over in China, so much to that point that Microsoft bans bloggers when the oppressive Chinese Government tells them to.

If you don't see anything wrong with that...

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It's just sheer coincidence that any nation with a command economy tends to kill thousands of its own people a year whilst the others live in horrible conditions.

Anyway, we in the states might not be that far off from censoring the intarweb. The government hates having no control over this sucker.
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You all can thank Stalin for today's viewpoint of Communism. That guy took a decent idea that Lenin had, and turned into one of the greatest screwjobs on the people of all time.

Oh, and cesorship by anyone is fucking retarded. You restrict the free expression of ideas and you restrict human advancement as a whole.
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