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Old 21 Nov 2005, 10:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default No, let's really argue.

All right, you said you wanted to argue so let’s do it.

Your belief: Evolution or Intelligent Design?? Support with at least two points.

Bonus: Do you really think we should be teaching either of these theories (at best that’s what both are…theories, and unprovable ones at that) in school and if so should we actually tell the kids that there’s no concrete proof of either theory??

I’ll post my thoughts later after y’all have had a chance.

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Old 21 Nov 2005, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ok Someone fill me in this "Intelligent Design" crap cause that sounds like Interior decoration classes.
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Old 21 Nov 2005, 10:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ok Someone fill me in this "Intelligent Design" crap cause that sounds like Interior decoration classes.
"Intelligent Design" is basically the Politically Correct way of saying "God created people." I don't know why a PC term was invented for that, I feel no particular need to not offend people who don't believe in a higher power than themselves...IMO those people need to be offended.

But the basis of Intelligent Design is that the human body and it's inner workings are so fantastically engineered that it couldn't have come to exist unless some Intelligent being Designed it.

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Old 21 Nov 2005, 10:34 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but if thats the case Intelligent design can suck donkey balls.

I'm sticking to the theory of evolution wich is better researched and has more proof than intelligent design will ever have.
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Old 21 Nov 2005, 11:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I believe God created man. I believe that He allowed us to evolve.

Evolution can involve eliminating genes from the gene pool, mutated genes, and the best fit for survival survivng. All of these have been proven.

In short, I believe in both: our evolution was intelligently designed. Probably for God to get a good laugh.
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Old 21 Nov 2005, 11:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The problem here is not which viewpoint is right.

Either way you slice it, from the viewpoint of the Creationist, to the viewpoint of the agnostic or on down the line to the viewpoint of the big bang theorists...

CREATION IS NOT SCIENCE NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

For something to be considered for a scientific study it must meet three criteria:
1. Observable
2. Measurable
3. Repeatable

1. Observable: Since we had to be created in the creation process, nobody is around who could have observed it. Therefore no true scientific notes or studies can be used here because nobody was able to watch this event occur in order to study it in this fashion.

2. Measurable: There is no way to measure creation. Sure there was once nothing and now theres something, but do we actually now how much of creation there is, and furthermore, can we actually determine how much was first created then how much evolved from said first creation?

3. Repeatable: It isnt truly repeatable. Sure you could try to formulate the big bang in a lab, or even try to formulate it such that a sicentist can play God, but there already exists certain matter and elements with which the scientifically created creation would come from. Therefore, It isnt repeatable.

So, the debate over which way we should teach our children in classes, is in my mind, a thing of utter futility. Scientists cannot prove one or another which occured, sure there are countless theories, but damn, there are so many each with its own validities, that there is no real way to determine which is right.


Why did I make this point? Simply to say that why the fuck not teach it all from creation on down the line...cause nobody KNOWS scientifaclly which way is right.
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^I rather stay with science. Giving intelligent design classes is like giving religious nutjobs a victory.
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God created that little speck of matter, then blew it up.

Everything else is a mistake.
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Evolution.

I trust the scientists a little more than a 4,000 year old book written by a bunch of insane sexually-frustrated monks...or something like that...

Evolution seems to have at least SOME scientific evidence, which Creationism lacks.

Also, there is no higher power than me~!

...I don't actually mean that, by the way.

Creationism should NOT be taught in a science class. By all means, teach it in RE, but NOT science.
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My main problems w/ intelligent design are if what the christian conservitives say is true, the world is only 12,000 years old and that dinosaurs were put here to test us.
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Evolution is my belief....its also the one that should be taught in schools

The existance of evolution is visible over the last few generations of humanity.

Wisdom teeth are an evolutionary throwback....not all people get them, because they are further evolved. Wisdom teeth harken back to a time when our Jaw bone was larger and supported more teeth....

Appendix...a throw back to the days when it was necessary for humans to digest bones and such...

the small toe....as generations go by, the small toe gets smaller and smaller. ...

I'm not ruling out God by any means...but I believe stuff such as that should be taught in a Philosophy Elective...not taught as science
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i absolutely believe in creation, but i do believe man has evolved since creation, leading scientists to believe that that evolution was the correct theory from the beginning, and i can understand why since , for example some of the things Kurt mentioned are visible (ive never researched those points but taking his examples), it is clearly understandable why some people who are so dead set against believing that God might exist would choose to go with the evolution theory.


i do think that (at the very least) the theory of creation should be mentioned in science texts and classrooms becuase it's true that neither can be proven.
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I think both should be taught in schools. People fail to realize that Darwin actually had very little factual evidence to suport his Evolution theory. In fact, Darwin didn't have much more evidence that the Intelligent Design theory did. People seem to think that Darwin had a ton of research to support his theory, but in reality, he had very little (if any) factual research.

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I can disprove evolution easily. If mankind has been evolving over the years, how do we still have Auburn fans?
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