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Old 02 Mar 2005, 07:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm living in Canada. Like it or not, i have to deal with America since our economy and our social lifes are similar...Plus, we're "neighbors". But in less than a century, 1 human on 3 will be a chinese. My question is: do you think China will, soon or later, try to get the control of the world like America's actually having it?

Yes, no, and why.
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do you mean 1 human in 3 is asian?
or chinese?

which one?
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Old 03 Mar 2005, 12:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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do you mean 1 human in 3 is asian?
or chinese?

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Asian is too vague. When you say asian you could be reffering to Chinesse, Vietnamesse, Japanesse, Korean etc.
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ya but which one did he mean?
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Chinesse. He's talking about how china is growing at an accelerated phase I personaly think China's massive growth is gonna bite them in the ass in the near future.
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^^Agreed. Also not to be discounted is the fact that China is a Communist nation, and while Communism is a nice idea on paper, in practice it is a proven failure. The only way the USSR was able to maintain hold of the public for so long in that system was through the subversion of speech, assembly and almost independant thoughts of their citizens by the KGB and GRU...as well as the fear of consequences on the part of the citizenry.

China, with all those people and saddled by a failure of an economic/political system will never be a world power in the sense that America is.

All I really care about China is that someone takes a friggin' stand and tells them to get out of Tibet and stop the ethnic cleansing...how the governments of the world have stood by as this happened and coddled those rat bastards in the process, I don't know.

For some reason, people talk China and they don't talk about Tiennemen, nor do they talk about Tibet. Who's banana are those Red Rat Bastards peeling to get off scott free for oppression and ongoing attemted genocide?? Fucking hypocritical bastards...America is horrible for invading Iraq but China's okay. Yeah, and the Dalai Lama says 'Fuck you, too.'

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^^Agreed. Also not to be discounted is the fact that China is a Communist nation, and while Communism is a nice idea on paper, in practice it is a proven failure. The only way the USSR was able to maintain hold of the public for so long in that system was through the subversion of speech, assembly and almost independant thoughts of their citizens by the KGB and GRU...as well as the fear of consequences on the part of the citizenry.

China, with all those people and saddled by a failure of an economic/political system will never be a world power in the sense that America is.

All I really care about China is that someone takes a friggin' stand and tells them to get out of Tibet and stop the ethnic cleansing...how the governments of the world have stood by as this happened and coddled those rat bastards in the process, I don't know.

For some reason, people talk China and they don't talk about Tiennemen, nor do they talk about Tibet. Who's banana are those Red Rat Bastards peeling to get off scott free for oppression and ongoing attemted genocide?? Fucking hypocritical bastards...America is horrible for invading Iraq but China's okay. Yeah, and the Dalai Lama says 'Fuck you, too.'

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Ouh! You're absolutely right on nearly everything you said. That's a fact: China should leave Tibet...But the simple fact they don't proves they are not as much in a communism system as we think. There's money to do here with Tibet's ressources so they won't let it go...

But when you said that communism is a failure, i don't agree. USSR citizens simply didn't respected the protocol and ruined everything. Like you said, on paper, communism is perfect, but there's too much possibilities of "cheating", if you know what i mean. I think the way China's running it is perfect since this system suits their social system, their values and what they believe in.

As you may guess, if i started the thread, that's because i'm wondering about how China will deal with the rest of the world soon...I wouldn't be surprise if the 3rd World War(if there's one) will start because of China, and not because of America's idiot actions.

By the way, when i say America's idiot actions, i include myself in that(i'm Canadian and Paul Martin licks Bush's ass so baddly). Just so i don't get flaming once again.
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Like I said China massive grwth is gonna be their downfall. They are playing their cards well but sometimes I think England shouldn't of let them run their damn country without making sure they don't screw themselves. When England handed absolute powers to China making a legit republic I knew from day one that they were gonna go ape shit on spending and over developing and look what is happening. The exact same thing I thought.

China's growth is also affecting us severely because they are hogging all the oil suplies and overpaying the crude. How much is it right now $53 a barrel compared to 20 something three years ago. Some analysts say that if China and India don't control their ridiculous growth, in a short period of time they'll go broke as soon as 5 years.
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But when you said that communism is a failure, i don't agree. USSR citizens simply didn't respected the protocol and ruined everything. Like you said, on paper, communism is perfect, but there's too much possibilities of "cheating", if you know what i mean.
??? Uhh, "simply didn't respect the protocol and ruined everything??" Do you actually mean to say that waiting three hours in line for sawdust ridden, moldy bread, having to "qualify" for a 2 bedroom apartment regardless of how many people are in your family, being subject to State Detention if an officer of the State even thinks they have a reason to detain you (no probable cause needed), having no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom of assembly...

Do you actually mean to say that The People should stand for that while the communist aristocracy (war veterans, politicians and high ranking military and espionage officials) were able to buy their bread and live in veritable luxury?? When I said that Communism on paper was a good idea, I didn't mean "perfect" as you said, which it most certainly is not...not even on paper where it is most attractive.

Actually, Communism is a form of gov't that in practice seems to require the subversion of the people and their personal freedoms to continue. Communism, or any form of Socialism for that matter can kiss my ass. "Ruined everything??" Ruined it for who?? Communism in practice has come to symbolize the elite's subversion of the common through brute force. The Former USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea...in all of those countries, if you speak/spoke against the gov't, you might never be seen again.

It's not that The People didn't respect protocol, it's that the gov't didn't respect The People's basic rights and freedoms. Fuck that.

Oh and BTW, not to flame, but how can you say that Communism in practice has been anything but a failure?? USSR was once a superpower, now they're on par with Germany (read - not very strong internationally). China is broke, and their population is going to make that situation worse. Cuba isn't even a fourth-world nation...people are tearing the rooves off their homes to try to float to Miami to escape the Communist system...something tells me if Communism were a success, we wouldn't be seeing that. And North Korea...people are afraid to speak openly for fear of being shot dead in the streets by soldiers of their psychotic dictator, and the whole world is breathing down their necks to just know their role.

No...Communism is in practice a complete, utter and total failure. I state that not as an opinion, but as fact. The previous paragraph is my backup for that fact.

"The people didn't respect the protocol and ruined everything??" I hate to pile on, I know you didn't want flames and I'm not trying to, but that statement is one of the most ignorant and intellectually bankrupt things I've ever heard or read regarding politics in general. Sorry to carry on about it.

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no.... the united states outlasted the communism in russia.... but there are still red country's and if russia returns to communism there will be another arms race....

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Yes we did outlast Communism...and I along with the rest of the world chalked that up to the US winning the Cold War. I don't think the next arms race will be w/ Russia. We need them to be our friends, and Putin's a guy I can get with. Then again, I'm not a diplomat nor does my opinion mean jack with regard to that, but I'm not ready for another Cold War, nor is the USA.

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