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Old 18 Dec 2004, 05:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TORONTO (CP) - Bar and corner-store owners winced while anti-tobacco activists celebrated Wednesday as the Ontario government introduced a provincewide ban on smoking, part of what it considers the toughest anti-tobacco strategy on the continent.



The new Smoke Free Ontario Act would, if passed, prohibit smoking in all workplaces and public places, including bars, restaurants, casinos and legion halls, leaving smokers with a lone indoor refuge: their own homes.

"I look forward to the day when all of us in this chamber can say to the people of this province that Ontario is now smoke-free," Health Minister George Smitherman told the legislature upon introducing the bill.

"We're not there yet, but with the passage of this bill, Ontario would once again be a leader in the battle against tobacco."

The legislation, which would come into effect in May 2006, would also prohibit establishments from permitting smokers to light up on enclosed outdoor patios and in private clubs, and outlaw so-called "designated smoking rooms."

It would, however, permit residents of long-term care facilities to smoke in designated areas and also allow hotels to offer smoking suites to their customers.

The legislation stops short of regulating tobacco use in private dwellings, except in cases where a home operates as a daycare or is visited regularly by a health-care worker.

"If you want to smoke at home, we're not going to stop you," Smitherman said. "We would obviously encourage people with children to step outside to smoke, but we will not legislate this point either."

The new law would also restrict the display of tobacco products in stores, banning countertop displays and the massive tobacco "power walls" that serve as a backdrop for many convenience-store counters across Canada.

"Does anyone believe that it is somehow acceptable for cigarettes to be mixed in with Twizzlers and hockey cards for the benefit of young potential customers?" Smitherman said.

New Democrat health critic Shelley Martel said the Liberals haven't done enough to cushion the blow to tobacco farmers and smokers who want to quit.

"I remain very disappointed that there is a huge gap between what the government promised in the first year to invest and what the government is actually spending," Martel said.

Help for smokers is coming, Smitherman promised, but the government hasn't decided whether it can afford to subsidize smoking cessation aids like the patch or add quit-smoking medications to the Ontario drug formulary.

"No firm decision has been taken," he said. "It's quite cost-prohibitive on an ongoing basis, but we are looking at opportunities to try to bring those products, which are effective for some people, into reach."

Conservative critic Jim Flaherty urged the government to provide assistance to businesses that have each invested as much as $300,000 to set up specially ventilated smoking rooms to comply with municipal bylaws, only to have them shut down by the province.

It will be at least another five years before many of those businesses can recoup the cost of those renovations, Flaherty said.

The Liberals have promised a tobacco transition program, including $50 million for Ontario farmers and communities where 95 per cent of Canadian tobacco is produced. But when that money will flow remains unclear.

"We're currently exploring options right now and trying to develop an option that best suits the needs of growers and communities in Ontario," said Agriculture Minister Steve Peters.

"I can't speculate on when a decision and an announcement might be made."

Retailers, members of the hospitality industry and advocates for the rights of Canada's smokers were predictably incensed by the proposed ban.

Restaurants have recovered somewhat from the impact of municipal smoking bans, but bars and pubs face financial peril, said Terry Mundell, president of the Ontario Restaurant Hotel and Motel Association.

"What does the government plan to do to make sure that that industry remains sustainable?" Mundell asked. "What about our economic benefit, our economic livelihood? That's the issue for us. They've talked about it for farmers, they haven't talked about it for us."

Nancy Daigneault of mychoice.ca, an online rights group financed by the Canadian Tobacco Manufacturers Council, said Canadian smokers are growing weary of being pushed out the door.

"Our members are not talking about turning back the clock and forcing smoking on non-smokers," Daigneault said.

"They're saying: don't remove choice from us, don't force us or stigmatize us into quitting. Don't tell us that we can't go to a bar or a restaurant with a designated smoking room and take that choice away from us."

If passed, Ontario would join Manitoba and New Brunswick as the only provinces to go completely smoke-free, and also join Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Nunavut in restricting the display of tobacco products.

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So stupid.

What do you guys think about all of this?
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Old 18 Dec 2004, 05:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Fuckin' left-wing facists... smoke nazis...
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Old 18 Dec 2004, 06:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Smoke nazis....heh..

Persoanly I welcome this...my I partiuclary react badly to 2nd hand smoke. (headaches, dry heaves, breathing issues...etc) Plus 2 friends one younger than me and an uncle all have lung cancer and all were chain smokers..
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Old 18 Dec 2004, 09:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Smoke nazis....heh..

Persoanly I welcome this...my I partiuclary react badly to 2nd hand smoke. (headaches, dry heaves, breathing issues...etc) Plus 2 friends one younger than me and an uncle all have lung cancer and all were chain smokers..
Chain smokers and 2nd hand smoke...hmmm lets see the difference.

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Old 19 Dec 2004, 12:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Meh, say whatever you want, I'm glad for these rules. Besides its inevable it would happen.
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S'fine by me
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Old 20 Dec 2004, 10:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's a good thing. I never minded smokers but I find annoying that they light up their cigarettes on a closed place without any sort of consideration of who's around. If they don't like it well there is only two choices and thats either smoke outside or quit smoking.
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I think it's a good thing. I never minded smokers but I find annoying that they light up their cigarettes on a closed place without any sort of consideration of who's around. If they don't like it well there is only two choices and thats either smoke outside or quit smoking.
They prolly can't walk out the door w/o coughing up a lung
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I think it's a good thing. I never minded smokers but I find annoying that they light up their cigarettes on a closed place without any sort of consideration of who's around. If they don't like it well there is only two choices and thats either smoke outside or quit smoking.
I don't think you even read the post. The law they want to pass is so that you can't smoke OUTSIDE in public places. Like common, second hand smoke outside isn't going to hurt you.
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I don't think you even read the post. The law they want to pass is so that you can't smoke OUTSIDE in public places. Like common, second hand smoke outside isn't going to hurt you.
Wait... not even outside?? I think thats too harsh.
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Down here in Florida smoking isn't allowed in public places that are indoors and in most parks. No smoking outside is pretty dumb though. I think it's probably going to create some anger issues among residents who have to go extended amounts of time without smoking.
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I don't think you even read the post. The law they want to pass is so that you can't smoke OUTSIDE in public places. Like common, second hand smoke outside isn't going to hurt you.
I read it again and you CAN smoke outside.
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I read it again and you CAN smoke outside.

The legislation, which would come into effect in May 2006, would also prohibit establishments from permitting smokers to light up on enclosed outdoor patios and in private clubs, and outlaw so-called "designated smoking rooms."

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Thats the only thing that bugs me. Your outside on a patio...nothing is going to happen.

Or in those smoking rooms...those aren't hurting anyone either.
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Does anyone remember Prohibition? Anyone?


This ban is fucking stupid. There's a difference between some pansies making it so lungers can't smoke inside and banning it entirely within city limits. I usually don't give a shit what someone does t their lungs so long as they aren't being lied to. Which is what tobacco companies have done for decades. That's why I don't mind those anti-tobacco ads on TV. But passing a law that forces you to do something irrelivant so that some health nuts and activists can go to a bar and ruin their livers without having t ruin their lungs as well just makes my head hurt.
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As a smoker myself, i'm happy to see these rules appearing(YEAH, I KNOW...a smoker wrestler i am!)...But seriously, i don't mind. I mean, what's more grose than having a draft of cigarette smoke in you're face while eating? I'm smoking and i know, sometimes, people don't like my presence...I think it's just normal to keep the non-smokers out of it, since they don't have any business to it...

But please, can we smoke somewhere?...
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