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Old 14 Dec 2004, 05:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pennsylvania Schools Sued Over Creationism Plan

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By Jon Hurdle

HARRISBURG, Pa. (Reuters) - Civil rights groups sued a Pennsylvania school district on Tuesday to block teaching of "intelligent design," an alternative to evolution that contends nature was created by an all-powerful being.



The American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) and Americans United for Separation of Church and State filed suit in federal court on behalf of parents of students in the Dover Area School District who object to the teaching of "intelligent design" alongside evolution in high school biology classes.


The suit claims the policy -- adopted by the board in October and to become part of the curriculum in January -- illegally promotes religious beliefs under the guise of science education.


"Intelligent design is a Trojan horse for bringing creationism into the public classroom," Witold Walczak, legal director for the ACLU of Pennsylvania, told reporters.


In the 1980s, the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) struck down the teaching of creationism in public schools for violating the separation of church and state mandated in the U.S. constitution. Creationists believe that the earth was made by God, as described in the Book of Genesis.


Proponents of "intelligent design" argue that nature is so complex that it could not have occurred by chance as held by Charles Darwin's 1859 theory of evolution. Nature, they maintain, must have been created by some all-powerful force although that force is not explicitly identified as God.


While other U.S. school boards have taken steps to introduce the theory, none has gone as far as the board in Dover, the ACLU said.


A school district spokesman declined comment. In November, the Dover school district -- about 100 miles west of Philadelphia -- defended its policy, saying Darwin's theory is "still being tested" and that there are "gaps" in it.


U.S. Christian conservatives, who played a significant role in President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election, have been pushing for decades for the teaching of creationism in schools.


Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, urged the school board to reconsider its decision.


"Public schools are not Sunday schools and we must resist any effort to make them so," Lynn said. "There is an evolving attack under way on sound science education and the school board's action in Dover is part of that misguided crusade."


The news conference in the state capitol building was also attended by two protesters carrying signs that read, "Evolution: Unscientific and Untrue."
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Ironic. Has anyone heard of the Scopes "monkey" trial.
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Ya, Clarance Darrow made his name off that, but I forgot the specifics
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Just stupid. You can't teach something that has zero evidence other than some crackheads who succeeded in writing probably the most boring and over-exaggerated peice of literature (the Bible) ever over something that at least logically makes sense. My school is as Catholic as it can get but it wouldn't even think of teaching the seven days of creation as a science.

Some school in Scotland wanted to do this, too, a few months ago...
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I hate these Conservatives....Don't they realize the more they make The U.S. look like a die hard Christain country the bigger the target on us becomes??
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^so we should just become muslims? The ACLU didn't have a problem with public schools teaching students muslum and islamic practices, and yet they cry over creationism
As long as you're teaching kids the beginnings of life, then you have to teach them all aspects of it, whether it's based on religion or science. Most of the history of mankind has been dominated by religion. Are they going to stop teaching kids about the founding fathers, the puritans, the pilgrams, coming to America to practice their religion in peace? Doesn't that just put things in perspective. America was founded over religious persecution, and here we are 400 years later trying to wipe out christianity all over again.
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As long as you're teaching kids the beginnings of life, then you have to teach them all aspects of it, whether it's based on religion or science. Most of the history of mankind has been dominated by religion. Are they going to stop teaching kids about the founding fathers, the puritans, the pilgrams, coming to America to practice their religion in peace? Doesn't that just put things in perspective. America was founded over religious persecution, and here we are 400 years later trying to wipe out christianity all over again.
No but constantly pushing our christain values in other people faces and rubbing in the fact that we re-elcted Bush due to his out-dated Christian Morals draws unwanted negative attention to the United States and makes Mulsim Extremist groups hate us even more because now we are starting to look like Christian Extermists. Especially the way Bush and his Nazi/ Conservative followers are now singling out Gays and Lesbians.

I wish these people would come out and say "We Hate Fags!" rather than just hide behind a fuckin bible and use that an excuse to hate.....GROW SOME BALLS!!!
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How are Bush's morals outdated?

How are any morals outdated?
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^what makes you think muslims would give any rights to gays?

You want americans and christians to hide their values just to pacify a bunch of terrorists. Please tell me what's so bad about "christian values"? Caring for other ppl? Not killing? Not blowing yourself up? These are the bad christian values we try to force on the world?

I find it a little unsettling that you think you can solve the muslim problem by eliminating christians. As if to say that only terrorists have the right to religion. But america has freedom of religion.

As far as "outdated Christian Morals" are concerned, yes, a lot of americans prefer that to the life that hollywood and the progresives try to pound out. Sorry, but I'll take a little moral conservatism over govt. sponsered art that has shit smeared all over Mary. The left pushed about as far as they could, and now, finally, the country has had enough with them and their riduculous, socialists, communist ideas.

I don't know where the Nazi comment came from. They're a little more like the ACLU anyways and their gestapo mentality to eradicate religion
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How are Bush's morals outdated?

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that's what I'm trying to say.
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go to www.parentstv.com

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Conservatives in the US are doing their damn hardest to try to bring us back to a time when our media is completely clean when it comes to tv and radio and blaming all of our country's problems on the media.

Do you know why the A.I.D.S. epidemic got so bad?

It's because these gay men are afraid to come out of the closet due to persecution by these religious wakcos. So guys that are BORN GAY are forced to get married and then they cheat on their wives and girlfriends with other men rather than being up front about it due to FEAR!!
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So a parent not wanting their child to see inappropriately dressed people and/or hear explicit language should be labeled as a Christian extremist?

What was considered taboo in the '50's isn't what parentstv and those places are trying to get back to. The media has changed so much over the course of the last ten years that obviously some of that blame has to go there. Not all of it, but a proportionate amount. Much of the blame also must go to those same parents for not being willing to censor what shows they watch, but more and more of those shows are not fit for a child to watch at all.

I have no idea why you would throw the KKK out there as a Christian Conservative group.

Regardless, the actual percentage of gays and lesbians is far less than the overall depiction of them would have us to believe. They may be afraid of being scorned, but it is not because they were born with the affliction of being that way. There are so many ways I could back up that statement, even using other theories besides creationism that I won't get into them.

The AIDS epidemic became so bad because it was a relatively new found disease that there was no known cure for, nor was there a known way to survive it. It wasn't because gay men were scared to come forward and admit they didn't know how to put two and two together.
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So a parent not wanting their child to see inappropriately dressed people and/or hear explicit language should be labeled as a Christian extremist?

What was considered taboo in the '50's isn't what parentstv and those places are trying to get back to. The media has changed so much over the course of the last ten years that obviously some of that blame has to go there. Not all of it, but a proportionate amount. Much of the blame also must go to those same parents for not being willing to censor what shows they watch, but more and more of those shows are not fit for a child to watch at all.

I have no idea why you would throw the KKK out there as a Christian Conservative group.

Regardless, the actual percentage of gays and lesbians is far less than the overall depiction of them would have us to believe. They may be afraid of being scorned, but it is not because they were born with the affliction of being that way. There are so many ways I could back up that statement, even using other theories besides creationism that I won't get into them.

The AIDS epidemic became so bad because it was a relatively new found disease that there was no known cure for, nor was there a known way to survive it. It wasn't because gay men were scared to come forward and admit they didn't know how to put two and two together.

Go to kkk.com they blame the media for every just like the PTC does you will know what I am talking about and for parentstv those people are out of their minds also and finally gays and lesbians are BORN GAY men with female hormones and Women with male hormones.
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The ACLU, moveon.org, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson also blame the media. Every major (or minor) organization blames the media because that gets them more airtime.

Not going to debate the gay issue with you. Sadly, you have fallen into a trap.
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Bottom line: I am neither Conservative or Liberal but I do agree with the term "Realist"

reality: Gay men and women are out there and want to marry

reality: minorities will want the same right as white even down south

reality: things like Howard Stern, South Park, Will and Grace and many other non-Christian media does exist.....If you don't like it change the channel.


Plus who are any of you to talk about televsion morals you are wrestling fans just like me.
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