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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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To my mind, the appellation of "Worst American" is the harm they caused the United States -- so the Rosenbergs' betrayal of America's nuclear weapon to the Soviets, and Benedict Arnold's treachery towards the fragile Revolution, are at the top of the list, and rightfully so.

When I was thinking about my own choices for "Worst Americans Ever", I deliberately disregarded people like Johne Wayne Gacy and Richard Speck because what they did was of no particular nationality, per se. Their crimes, horrible though they were, could have been committed in any country, and for all their horror, the crimes left America the nation untouched.

Not so with some of the others on my list. For interest's sake, here are my 25 Worst Americans, in order.

1. The Rosenbergs and Robert Gold
4. Aldrich Ames
5. Robert Hanssen
6. John Walker
7. Benedict Arnold
8. Alger Hiss

No surprises there: all were actual traitors, and my only lament is that only the Rosenbergs got the chair -- all seven of these bastards should have been executed.

Then we have the traitors who have actively subverted, and who wished to subvert, the American way of life, and replace it with something worse (ie. socialism / communism).

9. Noam Chomsky
10. Gus Hall
11. Amitai Etzioni

And finally, we have the people who may not actually have belonged to any anti-American movement, yet who have done as much to further the aims thereof by their actions, their policies and their government. And the rest are included in there.

12. FDR
13. Woodrow Wilson
14. Jimmy Carter
15. Jesse Jackson
16. Hillary Clinton
17. Joseph Kennedy Sr.
18. LBJ
19. William Taft
20. Abraham Lincoln
21. Sirhan Sirhan
22. Boss Tweed
23. Lee Harvey Oswald (or whoever else pulled the trigger)
24. James Earl Ray
25. John Wilkes Booth

Aw, fuck it. Nobody cares who I hate and people will flock to the polls to vote for John Kerry in November no matter what I write. The same people elected that pair of skunks named Clinton, too. Some people are simply too fucked-up to live free.

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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd post a list but it'd be unfair for me to single out 25 Americans considering I don't know every American nor do I thouroughly know every US president.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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No list from me Ill simply state that I am not voting this year due to dislike of both candidates.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I was just wondering why Abraham Lincoln is on there.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'd post a list but it'd be unfair for me to single out 25 Americans considering I don't know every American nor do I thouroughly know every US president.
Go buy the book: Presidential Leadership. Now.

I'll answer questions about my choices tomorrow.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 06:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I find it hard to believe that Jane Fonda didn't make your list.
I'll think about it today. It's the 1st day of the school year, so I'll have a lot of free time.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 10:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Why would I bother making a list if Bush Jr. will be the first in it. Not even his father was as bad as he is. Bah who cares he'll loose this november.

BTW I bought the bock and it was on sale for 8 bucks. I asked the attendant and she warned me that this is not an objective book and it's incredibly right wing biased. Even thou I still bought it. It would be good to see how right wing extremist would label our founding fathers.

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I find it hard to believe that Jane Fonda didn't make your list.
I'll think about it today. It's the 1st day of the school year, so I'll have a lot of free time.
I forgot Fonda and Moore.

I'll revise the list later.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 06:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, I couldn't get up to 25 I stopped at 7 but will probably edit this for more.

1) The Rosenburgs (I'm counting them as one)
2) Benedict Arnold: When you have a term for betrayal named after you, it ain't good.
3) Jane Fonda, or as my dad calls her "That Communist bitch"
4) William T. Sherman: burned Atlanta for no real reason and betrayed his state.
5) Lee Harvey Oswald
6) Huey P. Long (There I said it)
7) Al Capone
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I'm surprised Nixon isn't on anyone's list.
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i'm suprised reagan isn't, after the little iran thing....
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well my list of people that suckass and ruined the confederacy

1. Abe "look at my hat" Lincoln
2. Gen. Sherman (that fucker burnt my town asshole)
3. US Grant (he hated the south so he came after us)
4. Washington DC (you should have known the town was fucked up then)
5. Florida (they ain't the south, they are just a bunch of spanish fools that had a beach and didn't want in on the war)
6. Mexico for not sending some help
7. everyone that went to Gettysburg and thought they could win
8. the guy that shot Stonewall Jackson

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Franklin Roosevelt on the list? This was a man that led our country through the great depression and WW2. I know he was the man that started big government but his leadership has to count for somthing.
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well my list of people that suckass and ruined the confederacy


5. Florida (they ain't the south, they are just a bunch of spanish fools that had a beach and didn't want in on the war)
Kentucky didn't fight and we had troops there supporting them too.

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Neither did England, and they almost jumped in due to certain naval spies.
It is believed France was going to get involved before Lincoln turned it into a war on slavery. This was before they became the world's military jobbers.

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His own men shot him. I don't know where I feel on this.
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Kentucky didn't fight and we had troops there supporting them too.



Neither did England, and they almost jumped in due to certain naval spies.
It is believed France was going to get involved before Lincoln turned it into a war on slavery. This was before they became the world's military jobbers.


His own men shot him. I don't know where I feel on this.
i know his own man shot him , and he should get his ass kicked for it...that was the turning point of the war no doubt when a great general went down
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