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Default Swift Boat Vets For Truth: Kerry's Many Lies About His Vietnam Record

After the John Kerry campaign trotted out the lawyers (big surprise there) in an attempt to shut-up the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, they've fired back at Kerry with a devastating attack on his record in Vietnam. Here are a few of the key charges the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have made against John Kerry...

On Kerry's first Purple Heart

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...Unmentioned in Kerry's Tour Of Duty version are the actual surrounding facts. Kerry, Lieutenant William Schachte, USN, and an enlisted man were on the whaler. Seeing movement from an unknown source, the sailors opened fire on the movement. There was no hostile fire. When Kerry's rifle jammed, he picked up an M-79 grenade launcher and fired a grenade at a nearby object. This sprayed the boat with shrapnel from Kerry's own grenade, a tiny piece of which embedded in Kerry's arm.

Kerry managed to keep the tiny fragment embedded until he saw Dr. Louis Letson. Dr. Letson's affidavit is attached as Exhibit 5. When Letson inquired why Kerry was there, Kerry said that he had been wounded by hostile fire. The accompanying crewmen indicated that Kerry was the new "JFK" and that he had actually wounded himself with an M-79. Letson removed the tiny fragment with tweezers and placed a band aid over the tiny scratch. The tiny fragment removed by Letson appeared to be an M-79 fragment, as described by the personnel accompanying Kerry.

The next morning Kerry showed up at Division Commander Grant Hibbard's office. Hibbard had already spoken to Schachte and conducted an investigation. Hibbard's affidavit is attached as Exhibit 11. Hibbard's investigation revealed that Kerry's "rose thorn" scratch had been self-inflicted in the absence of hostile fire. Hibbard, therefore, booted Kerry out of his office and denied the Purple Heart.

Some three months later, cf. Exhibit 22, after all personnel actually familiar with the events of December 2, 1969 had left Vietnam, Kerry somehow managed to obtain a Purple Heart for the December 2, 1968 event from an officer with no connection to Coastal Division 14 or knowledge of the December 2, 1968 event or of Commander Hibbard's prior turn down of the Purple Heart request. ...The sole document relied upon by Kerry is a record showing the band aid and tweezers treatment by Dr. Letson recorded by deceased corpsman, Jess Carreon.

There are no witnesses who claim to have seen hostile fire -- necessary for a Purple Heart (even a rose thorn Purple Heart) -- that day. At least three witnesses, Dr. Letson (who spoke to the participants and removed the M-79 fragment), Lt. Bill Schachte (on the boat), and Cmdr. Grant Hibbard (whose investigation revealed Kerry's application for a Purple Heart to be fraudulent), are able to testify directly or based upon contemporaneous investigation that Kerry's first Purple Heart was a fraud. Thus, Lewis Letson's statement that "I know John Kerry is lying about a first Purple Heart" is conclusively established by the evidence. Like the third Purple Heart, Kerry's first Purple Heart was essential to his quick trip home.
On Kerry's third Purple Heart

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...Although Kerry's "minor" bruise could never entitle him to a Purple Heart, Kerry's reported shrapnel wound to his "buttocks" (although minor according to the treating physician) from an enemy mine would have entitled him to such an award (had he not been lying about its origin).

...KJW identifies the report as Kerry's. Likewise, Kerry reported his shrapnel wounds to the Navy in an injury report:

"LTJG Kerry suffered shrapnel wounds in his left buttocks and contusions on his right forearm when a mine detonated close aboard PCF-94."

Exhibit 18. Exhibit 17 likewise identifies Kerry's "injuries" as contusion right forearm (minor) (i.e., a small bruise) and a shrapnel wound left buttocks

Kerry's third Purple Heart was his ticket home. It also was much of the basis of his Bronze Star, repeating "his bleeding arm" and shrapnel wound from the mine story. The problem is that his operating report was a total lie since Kerry's shrapnel wound "in the buttocks" came not from a mine at all as he falsely reported, but at his own hand. Larry Thurlow, an officer on shore with Kerry that day, recounts that Kerry's shrapnel wound came not from any mine, but from a self-inflicted wound when Kerry (with no enemy to be seen) threw a concussion grenade into a rice pile and stayed too close. See Exhibit 10, 3. This "brown rice" incident with rice/shrapnel lodged in Kerry from his own grenade is also recounted by James Rassman, a Kerry supporter and "the no man left behind" on page 105 of John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004) (the "Kranish book"). See Exhibit 21.

Most surprisingly, John Kerry himself (while falsely reporting to the Navy and public that he suffered a shrapnel wound from a mine explosion so as to get a third Purple Heart and go home) reflected in his own journal that his buttocks' wound came, not from any mine but, rather, from a grenade tossed into a rice cache by himself or friendly troops (in the absence of any enemy fire). "I got a piece of small grenade in my @ss from one of the rice bin explosions." Exhibit 15, Tour, at 313; see also Exhibit 15, Tour, at 317. "Kerry . . . also had the bits of shrapnel and rice extracted from his backside." See also the sworn statement of participants that there was no hostile fire (Exhibits 6, 7, and 10). It also should be noted that the rice extracted from Kerry's backside could hardly be the result of an underwater mine, as Kerry claimed in his operating report.

The conclusion is inescapable: that Kerry lied by reporting to the Navy that he had been wounded by shrapnel in his backside from an enemy mine when in reality he negligently wounded himself and then lied about the wound in order to secure a third Purple Heart and a quick trip home.
On Kerry's Bronze Star

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As recounted in the attached affidavits of three on-scene participants (and verified by many others present) Kerry's operating report, Bronze Star story, and subsequent "no man left behind" story are a total hoax on the Navy and the nation. As recounted in the affidavits of Van Odell (Exhibit 6), Jack Chenoweth (Exhibit 7), and Larry Thurlow (Exhibit 10) (and verified by every other officer present and many others), a mine went off under PCF 3 -- some yards from Kerry's boat. The force of the explosion disabled PCF 3 and knocked several sailors, dazed, into the water. All boats, except one, closed to rescue the sailors and defend the disabled boat. That boat -- Kerry's boat -- fled the scene. After a short period, it was evident to all on the scene that there was no additional hostile fire. Thurlow began the daring rescue of disabled PCF 3, while Chenoweth began to pluck dazed survivors of PCF 3 from the water. Midway through the process, after it was apparent that there was no hostile fire, Kerry finally returned, picking up Rassman who was only a few yards from Chenoweth's boat which was also going to pick Rassman up. Each of the affiants (and many other Swiftees on the scene that day) are certain that Kerry has wholly lied about the incident. Consider this: How could the disabled PCF abandon the scene of the mine? Why did Kerry have to "return" to the scene?

...Clearly, Van Odell is right when he says, "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star . . . I know. I was there. I saw what happened." As Jack Chenoweth swore, "his account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day." Most poignantly, Larry Thurlow, whose brave actions saved the PCF 3 boat that day after Kerry fled, has the right to say, "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."
On Cambodia

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If there is a consistent[1] repeated story by John Kerry about his Vietnam experience, it is his story about how he and his boat spent Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 illegally present in Cambodia and, listening to President Nixon's contrary assurances, developed "a deep mistrust of U.S. government pronouncements." See Exhibit 24, Kranish book, p. 84. The point of his story was that his government and his commanders were lying about Kerry's presence in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. During a critical debate on the floor of the United States Senate on March 27, 1986, Senator John Kerry said:

Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me . . . .

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

...The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8 is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam, Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary, similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command. In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec -- easily locatable on any map more than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.

Folks, these are men who treated Kerry for wounds, fought beside him in other boats, & that were in his line of command. They're also veterans who went to Vietnam and risked their lives, just like John Kerry.

Furthermore, their accounts sound VERY credible and it's quite easy to understand why they came forward.

Imagine how you'd feel if you served with a guy in a combat situation and you didn't really think much of him.

Then, a few months later, he turns up stateside, waving around a bunch of medals you don't think he earned, and telling the entire world that people like YOU are war criminals.

Then, fast forward to 2004 and here's this same guy running as a combination of Sgt. York, Patton, & John Paul Jones. Put another way, as Captain George Elliott, USN (retired) from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth said...

"In 1971, '72, for almost 18 months, (John Kerry) stood before the television audiences and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were all villains -- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War has appeared, running for President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief. It just galls one to think about it."
If you were in their position, if you knew John Kerry was lying through his teeth and was using those lies as the basis of his presidential campaign, wouldn't you step forward and try to let people know the truth?

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Trev give it rest already. This was refuted already and proved to be a farse after some of the people who started this backed down. Heck it was even condemed by your own people starting with McCaine since this didn't came from the republicans themselves. This is McCaine/Bush all over again. Some retarded fucker decided to attack it's military since there wasn't anything else to Attack McCaine with.
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Trev give it rest already. This was refuted already and proved to be a farse after some of the people who started this backed down. Heck it was even condemed by your own people starting with McCaine since this didn't came from the republicans themselves. This is McCaine/Bush all over again. Some retarded fucker decided to attack it's military since there wasn't anything else to Attack McCaine with.
How the hell has it been refuted?

There are 200 people in this group that all say that Kerry is lying about the very base of his platform for election.

Who the hell are MY people? I have no people.

So how about this, stop telling me what I should or shouldn't say, and start backing up the half witted shit that you tend to spill in here.

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How the hell has it been refuted?

There are 200 people in this group that all say that Kerry is lying about the very base of his platform for election.

Who the hell are MY people? I have no people.

So how about this, stop telling me what I should or shouldn't say, and start backing up the half witted shit that you tend to spill in here.

On that note, I'm on vacation.
Yeah yeah

If one lied about it, what makes you think that the other 199 people really isn't. This is an independent group who have not been or seen Kerry on duty and yet they have all that to say? I'm sorry but I rather believe Kerry than a bunch of lying sacks of crap looking to be on headlines and turning themselves into attention whores since they don't have anything good to say. Or turning themselves into republican minnions making themselves looks like assholes all over the nation.

And since you read whatever is convenient to you you should read this.

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Veteran disputes newspaper report of recanted Kerry charges

BOSTON, Massachusetts (Reuters) -- One of presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war comrades, who had appeared to back off his criticism of Kerry's war record, recanted Friday and said, yes, in fact he did question whether the U.S. senator deserved his medals.

Last week at his nominating convention, Kerry painted himself as a decorated war hero capable of leading the nation in troubled times and a man better qualified to be commander-in-chief than President Bush.

That portrayal of his time as commander of a Navy Swift Boat sparked a heated exchange this week between those who support him and those who question that image.

This week a group calling itself the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched a television spot accusing the Democratic candidate of betraying his country by speaking out against the war when he returned home.

On Friday, a member of that group who was one of Kerry's supervisors in Vietnam, George Elliott, appeared to back off an earlier affidavit in which he suggested Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star. In the affidavit, he said, "I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back."

In Friday's Boston Globe, Elliott was quoted as saying: "It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."

Elliott told the Globe Kerry did deserve the medal.

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Inundated with calls to verify the statement, Elliott grew media shy and said through his wife he would not talk. Earlier in the day, Mrs. Elliott said her husband was playing golf and would call back when he returned in the afternoon.

Elliott later issued another affidavit -- witnessed and notarized -- this time saying he was misquoted by the Globe and reaffirming his belief that Kerry has "not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

Elliott also wrote: "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single wounded, fleeing Viet Cong."

Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, said in a statement: "Regarding George Elliott's statements on John Kerry's military service, which ran in the Globe this morning, the Globe stands by the article. The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate."

Next week the group will step up its campaign against the candidate with a book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry."

Veterans supporting Kerry called the ad a "smear campaign" and two whose lives were saved by Kerry hit back.

"What these people have said is not true and a lot of it is grossly inaccurate," said James Rassmann, who has appeared at many campaign appearances with the candidate.

"These gentlemen appear to be making this up as they go along and they are not keeping their stories straight," he said.

Fred Short, who also served with Kerry, said the ad shows "The Bush campaign has nothing to talk about, so they resort to these dirty tricks."

Meanwhile Republican Sen. John McCain, another Vietnam veteran, called the attack dishonorable and dishonest.

The Bush administration distanced itself from the advertisement Thursday but did not condemn it. "We have not and we will not question Sen. Kerry's service in Vietnam," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
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The Swift Boat Vets for Truth's claims were refuted by Republican Senator John McCain last week on a story ran by the AP newswire. McCain stated that there was a similar campaign against him in the 2000 primaries.

In all honesty NONE of us could possibly know how Kerry served his time in Vietnam. There are reports on both sides that paint both a negative and positive picture. The SBVfT could be telling the truth or they could just be another conservative group trying to rally as much support as they can for George W.

If this election year has done one thing for me it has helped further my disgust for American politics. Instead of worrying about this stupid shit lets look at the actual issues and each gentlemen's HONEST stance on them. But no...instead we get more smear campaigns and half truths that do nothing for us except help to further divide people.

I will end this with a quote from senator McCain:

"I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."
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jesus fuckin christ, i know this shit is his base for election, but give it a fuckin rest trev

your boy bush didn't even have the balls to go out and DROP BOMBS in vietnam yet you're attacking kerry for his service

these swiftboat vet for truth are a bunch of old idiotic hags that need to find something better to do. seriously, how fuckin stupid is it to attack someone who actually fought and be on the side of the guy that was too pussy to go?

swift boat vets for truth is bull shit, and john o'niell needs to be punched in the face
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I just want to know, not trying to say a lot of things against Kerry (at least not now and on this topic) why did his campaign not just go after these and set the record straight as opposed to threatening to sue television stations for airing the ad.
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I just want to know, not trying to say a lot of things against Kerry (at least not now and on this topic) why did his campaign not just go after these and set the record straight as opposed to threatening to sue television stations for airing the ad.
Because the record is already straight. Why bother with something that has been proven already time after time after time? These guys from SBVFT are willingly lying about their accounts on those events and for what, to please an extremist right wing butt fucker that is not even welcomed by his own people.
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Here's some more info on the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth:

http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527events.asp?orgid=61


Here's a link to the donations made by the treasurer of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Mr. Weymouth Symmes.

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/se...2000=Y&Order=N

Not big donations by far however its obivious to see who he is pulling for.



In response to Joe's question:

They already have set the record straight. The people that were actually on Kerry's boat under his command all have come out to support him and say that he is a great leader. They could do that again but it simply wont do any good. Most of the right wing is going to listen to and believe the Swift Boat Vets for Truth and most of the left are going to listen to the swift boat vets that were actually on Mr. Kerry's ship. Meanwhile the rest of us that actually use our minds will be left to decide which of the 2 lying bastards are less likely to take us further down the hole we're in now.
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Ok I'm glad you 2 could clear that up.
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The Swift Boat Vets for Truth's claims were refuted by Republican Senator John McCain last week on a story ran by the AP newswire. McCain stated that there was a similar campaign against him in the 2000 primaries.

In all honesty NONE of us could possibly know how Kerry served his time in Vietnam. There are reports on both sides that paint both a negative and positive picture. The SBVfT could be telling the truth or they could just be another conservative group trying to rally as much support as they can for George W.

If this election year has done one thing for me it has helped further my disgust for American politics. Instead of worrying about this stupid shit lets look at the actual issues and each gentlemen's HONEST stance on them. But no...instead we get more smear campaigns and half truths that do nothing for us except help to further divide people.

I will end this with a quote from senator McCain:

"I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."
Agreed, the Republicans have been fighting dirty. They've been supporting Ralph Nadar because they know he'll take votes away from Kerry and they've also posted a video at their website calling the Democrats "rage politics" showing video footage of democrats along side the likes of Hitler and other top nazis. Ironically this is no different than when Al Jaerez (sp?) made a video comparing Bush to Hitler. Bush also made a comment saying that he "welcomed" John Edwards into the mix yet at his website there is an article bashing Edwards calling him inexperienced. With this said I do not trust the Republican party and quite frankly I do not trust these "swift boat vets". If what they're saying is true than all I have to say is this; John Kerry is a politician, he wants to do what he thinks will help this country. If he lied in the past then yes it's bad but ya know something, Bush used evidence from Russia which turned out to be false in order to justify his war in Iraq. Bush lied to an entire country, he told us that Saddam bought supplies when he did not. I think Kerry's "supposed" lies are less threatening to our country to say the least.
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