Mr. President, Tear Down This Wall

Toof · 14 Jun 2004, 11:13 AM

No It's not the Berlin Wall so be quiet.

Not long ago we all remember President Bush restricting stem cell research allying himself with religious grups (like this is the first time) and now Nancy Reagan and her sons wants Bush to tear down his proposition so there could be a cure for deseases like alzheimers and such. But still Bush denies this and still taking sides with the religious groups. Some republicans say that he should comply and change his mind, Democrats have always been in favor of this so I guess that is not new with the exception of a few of course.

Is Bush realy doing the right thing? There is a lot that can be done with that research and I mean a lot and yet Bush still doesn't want to do it. Is he helping humanity this way? Should this be alowed? My great grandmother passed away this thursday and she had alzheimers like Bush and es I agree with stem cell research.

Well kids discuss

The Wanderer · 14 Jun 2004, 12:50 PM

Ironicly here in Canada, thats one of our hot button issues here as well (thoguh not the biggest) with faderal election coming up. However odds of 2 of the 3 major parties here are in favor for stem cell rescarch, and technicliy theres no direct law agaisnt it here. (are a few loophole discrapcies thoguh but are soon to change. Mind you there are the fair amount of nay sayers here as well with this too. but it seems more are in favor for it. One of my friends (who passed away last year) was parayzed playing basketball. could have had the chance to walk again. if the stem cell reacsearch wasn't limited.. (since he still could move his sholders evn though the break was above his neck, so the nerve dammage wasn't complely severed. I for one am in favor for this rescarch. Too many people could lose out on this if they didin't have it, and that beyond unfair.

Trevelbond · 14 Jun 2004, 01:32 PM

As long as abortions are still legal, go for it.

The only part of abortions I really have a problem with is the infantacide known as "Late Term," or "Partial Birth" abortions. In which birth is induced and a spike is driven through the infants head, killing it almost instantly.

Nick Saban · 14 Jun 2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevelbond

As long as abortions are still legal, go for it.

I agree with this statement. As a Catholic, I agree with my Church's teachings that something is alive when its heart beats (which happens at conception) and it is murder to purposely stop this heart from beating.

_UT_ · 14 Jun 2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevelbond

As long as abortions are still legal, go for it.

I have to agree.

My stance on Abortion: It should only be legal if: 1.) It threatens the mother's life. 2.) It is a "rape" pregnancy. 3.) If (before birth) the child is nor going to lead a normal life. Such as deformatities or retardedness.

Abortion because some teenaged rich slut couldn't say no to alcohol and drugs and got knocked up is not a valid reason.

Trevelbond · 14 Jun 2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UT_Tombstone_3

My stance on Abortion: It should only be legal if: 1.) It threatens the mother's life. 2.) It is a "rape" pregnancy. 3.) If (before birth) the child is nor going to lead a normal life. Such as deformatities or retardedness.

Abortion because some teenaged rich slut couldn't say no to alcohol and drugs and got knocked up is not a valid reason.

Agreed. Thats what I had meant to say above...

Toof · 14 Jun 2004, 11:21 PM

I agree with what UT said as well.

Nick Saban · 15 Jun 2004, 05:45 AM

I'm willing to find some middle ground in this argument and that'll do.

xer0 · 16 Jun 2004, 03:54 PM

I agree with the stance that if abortion is legal then stem cell research should be as well. Lets atleast give these lives a chance to help out another one.

On the abortion issue: I don't have a big problem with it, however I would NEVER want to abort my child. My only real problem with it is when it is used as a way to cover up a "mistake." A very close friend got his girlfriend pregnant and they got an abortion. To this day he regrets it...even though his relationship with the girl is not good.

14 Jun 2004, 11:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Toof I hate people Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14,665 Rep Power: 142	Mr. President, Tear Down This Wall No It's not the Berlin Wall so be quiet. Not long ago we all remember President Bush restricting stem cell research allying himself with religious grups (like this is the first time) and now Nancy Reagan and her sons wants Bush to tear down his proposition so there could be a cure for deseases like alzheimers and such. But still Bush denies this and still taking sides with the religious groups. Some republicans say that he should comply and change his mind, Democrats have always been in favor of this so I guess that is not new with the exception of a few of course. Is Bush realy doing the right thing? There is a lot that can be done with that research and I mean a lot and yet Bush still doesn't want to do it. Is he helping humanity this way? Should this be alowed? My great grandmother passed away this thursday and she had alzheimers like Bush and es I agree with stem cell research. Well kids discuss

14 Jun 2004, 12:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Wanderer Moderator Of Good & Evil Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Walking upon high, as I step to the edge to see my world below.. Posts: 6,505 Rep Power: 152	Ironicly here in Canada, thats one of our hot button issues here as well (thoguh not the biggest) with faderal election coming up. However odds of 2 of the 3 major parties here are in favor for stem cell rescarch, and technicliy theres no direct law agaisnt it here. (are a few loophole discrapcies thoguh but are soon to change. Mind you there are the fair amount of nay sayers here as well with this too. but it seems more are in favor for it. One of my friends (who passed away last year) was parayzed playing basketball. could have had the chance to walk again. if the stem cell reacsearch wasn't limited.. (since he still could move his sholders evn though the break was above his neck, so the nerve dammage wasn't complely severed. I for one am in favor for this rescarch. Too many people could lose out on this if they didin't have it, and that beyond unfair. __________________

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14 Jun 2004, 01:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Trevelbond A-Boooooooo~!™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 15,038 Rep Power: 2834	As long as abortions are still legal, go for it. The only part of abortions I really have a problem with is the infantacide known as "Late Term," or "Partial Birth" abortions. In which birth is induced and a spike is driven through the infants head, killing it almost instantly.

14 Jun 2004, 11:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Toof I hate people Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14,665 Rep Power: 142	I agree with what UT said as well.

15 Jun 2004, 05:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Nick Saban No Frills Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: I'm back here Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 257	I'm willing to find some middle ground in this argument and that'll do.

16 Jun 2004, 03:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
xer0 Tumbleweed Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,546 Rep Power: 3668	I agree with the stance that if abortion is legal then stem cell research should be as well. Lets atleast give these lives a chance to help out another one. On the abortion issue: I don't have a big problem with it, however I would NEVER want to abort my child. My only real problem with it is when it is used as a way to cover up a "mistake." A very close friend got his girlfriend pregnant and they got an abortion. To this day he regrets it...even though his relationship with the girl is not good.

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