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Old 31 Dec 2008, 01:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm having an argument with a guy on another board about whether or not Bryan Danielson is as good as a lot of people say he is. Reason for this argument was this....

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-- The latest issue of Pro Wrestling Illustrated (featuring Santino Marella on the cover) has an article asking if Ring of Honor wrestler Bryan Danielson deserves all the hype he gets considering that a number of fans call him "The Best In The World." However, some fans and wrestling insiders believe it's ridiculous to slap Danielson with "The Best In The World" tag considering that he has little experience in the world's biggest promotions. The article features an apparent quote from a WWE headliner ripping Danielson, who spoke to PWI on the condition of anonymity. Here is what was written in the article as it pertains to WWE:

"Best in the world? Give me a break. What, really, has he done?" wondered one WWE headliner and powerbroker who spoke under the condition of anonymity. "It takes more than just coming up with a few fancy submission holds to earn that kind of praise. Until he makes it to the big leagues, calling him 'best in the world' is an absolute joke."

As harsh as those words may sound, they reflect a sentiment shared by others in the wrestling world that think Danielson's hype is nothing more than just that - hype. They say that while Danielson's unique offense may wow hardcore fans of independent wrestling shows, his lack of knowledge of how to actually "work" holds him back from making steps towards the next phase of his career. And, they say, while his fans may be quick to dismiss some of Danielson's limitations as superficial -- including his size and look -- others say criticisms of Danielson's lack of major league star power are legitimate.

While our WWE main eventer refused to be named in this story, many fans thought WWE champion Triple H had the "Dragon" in mind when he made these comments in an August interview with The Ottawa Sun. "If you go to the Internet, there's always somebody saying 'this guy is the best wrestler in the world' ... But it's not about what they like. It's what the masses like. These guys they're talking about are wrestling in front of 50 people, not 20,000. And that's because the masses don't want to see them."
It should be noted that quotes from wrestlers relating to storylines in Pro Wrestling Illustrated are almost always fake. However, on-the-record quotes in the magazine offering personal opinions from wrestlers are usually legit. Although, this one has the "anonymous" tag on it, so it's hard if to tell if it's real in this case.
I watched some of his stuff on youtube and found a lot of what was said to be true. In my small sample. He seems to have trouble selling opponent's moves, working whatever character he has, cutting promos and whatnot. Basically doing a lot of the things that make you a good pro wrestler. Dude's got a sick ability to pull off his moves, but that seems to be the majority of what I can see he does well.

Anyway I was wondering what you guys thought of this?
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Old 31 Dec 2008, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think if he got re-trained by the WWE or even TNA he could be the next Chris Benoit... minus the double-murder thing...
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Old 01 Jan 2009, 01:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think if he got re-trained by the WWE or even TNA he could be the next Chris Benoit... minus the double-murder thing...
That's what I'm trying to explain to the guy. I think the dude's got fantastic potential. He can definitely pull his moves off, but he doesn't do a lot of things you just need to do.
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Spear that wasn't really a good example, they was doing comedy spots.

He's a pretty damn good seller if in my opinion.

Here's one example from Take No Prisoners in his match vs Aries.

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Ring of Honor "RISING ABOVE" debuts on pay per view on Friday, January 16th. The event will be carried on DIRECTV, iN DEMAND, DISH Network and TVN in the U.S. and Viewer’s Choice and Bell ExpressVu in Canada.

The lineup for RISING ABOVE features:

ROH World Title Match
Nigel McGuinness vs. Bryan Danielson

I Quit Match
Jimmy Jacobs vs. Austin Aries

Six Man Tag Team War
Brent Albright, Roderick Strong, & Ace Steel vs. Davey Richards, Go Shiozaki, & Chris Hero

Four Corner Survival Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Silas Young vs. Alex Payne vs. Sami Callahan

SHIMMER Title Match
MsChif vs. Sara Del Rey

World Tag Team Title Match
Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Jay & Mark Briscoe

Check back for more details as the premiere date gets closer. ROH has set the standard by giving you true professional wrestling on pay-per-view at an affordable price. Don't miss the explosive action of this must see event
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HOLY FUCK. This match looks AWESOME.
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