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Old 24 Feb 2004, 05:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I made the same thread over at PW, but I thought it was a good one, so I posted it here

Now throughout the history of wrestling, there has been 1 pretty simple formula. Faces are good guys and should be cheered, heels are bad guys, and should be booed. In recent years, however, it seems that this formula has had a few "flaws" in it (i.e. Austin, Cena, Eddie, and even the n.W.o.). What the point I'm trying to make is, do you think that this formula still applies? Should it be changed up? Do you tend to like a wrestler more if he is an avid Church attendee who stands for all that is good in the world, or do you gravitate towards the "Fuck you, I do what I want" bad ass type of heel. Why or why not?

I think that it is all dependant on age. When you are younger and more innocent, you are taught evil is bad, and for the world to be right, good much prevail. So you are kind of force fed the Hulk Hogans, and the Bret Harts (both of which preached a pretty wholesome message). As you get older, you tend to see that the world isnt all rainbows and bunnies, but the world is fucked up. What is right doesn't always come out that way. You'd rather have somebody who doesnt conform to the set "rules", but still gets by. It's kind of the way most teens would like it. Hell, when I was 13, i wanted to not go to school and just cheat, and still graduate and become rich. And thats what a lot of the "heels" appeared to be doing (Million Dollar Man instantly comes to my mind). And as adulthood is reached (at least in my experience), heel/face status isn't so much looked at, opting for more technical "entertainment" appeal. But this all changes as kids come into play, but thats another topic.

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Old 24 Feb 2004, 11:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I haven't liked a wrestler based on thier heel/face status since I was 9. But it's a formula that is needed and would be impossible to change. For conflicts to arise you need protagonists and antagonists. It's that simple.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 01:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I believe you are in the wrong forum for this. A smark tends to look beyond the whole face vs. heel thing and looks into ability, which is one of many reasons why we are overlooked by management while they look to impress marks.

I must agree with your reasoning though, Red.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 09:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I made a similar thread like a week ago in the WWE forum Yours is more elaborated than mine, but basically says the same thing



I'll answer my topic again though


I tend to like the vicious heels. What I mean by that, is the heels that become very aggressive in their feuds, and do anything necessary. I used to despise Triple H, but then somewhere along the way, he picked up his good buddy Sledgie. I thought he was at gis best when he would mame people with his hammer. I thought that him beatin the shit out of people with that, and getting victories with it were great. I kinda miss that HHH too:sad:


I also liked Lesnar when he first showed up, cuz he was a fuckin beast. Then Heyman started holdin him back, and makin him out to be a pussy, and I lost a little interest in him. Then Heyman turned on him, and he went crazy again. I thought it was great when he demolished Gowen and bloodied him up, and threw him down the stairs.


I didn't like Cena's rap gimmick at first, it was cheesy as hell. Then he was 'injured' by Brock, and he started cuttin the vicious rhymes, where he threatened bodily harm to him. I thought that was when his character really took off. Then when he and lesnar actually had their matches and physical confrontations, Cena backed up by bein violent. I think he busted Lesnar open with a chair or the title belt. That's what got me into Cena.


Kurt Angle last SD is another example of a heel that I will probably like. If he keeps up bein ruthless like that, then I will be into him so much. He just wore Eddie out for 6 or 7 minutes straight. I was really into that segment.


I will like faces that have the skill inside the ring. I like Angle as a face because he can perform so well in the ring. Benoit, Jericho (of old), etc. If someone can perform great in the ring, then I will like them no matter what (most of the time).
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i smell jealousy stick.

i dont know if the point of the thread was really clarified. what i meant by it was "is the whole heel/face thing useless nowadays. have the lines between the 2 been blurred too much. what are new ideas for getting the heat on people, since the formula isnt quite working anymore". i hope that clarified
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i dont know if the point of the thread was really clarified. what i meant by it was "is the whole heel/face thing useless nowadays. have the lines between the 2 been blurred too much. what are new ideas for getting the heat on people, since the formula isnt quite working anymore". i hope that clarified
Oh, thanks for the late ass clarification



I guess to get heel heat on a wrestler, they have to do what Angle did to Eddie this past SD.


Just take a huge face (Eddie), and have almost anyone beat the shit out of him for 5 minutes. That always seems to work.


Or to get someone over as a face, have them cut promos on the top heel, and then go over them in a match or something.


I guess nowadays it is hard to make it cut and dry as to how to get someone over how they want to.
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I'm a heel Fan myself, Although Wrestling does Over-ride this sort of labelling but you know as Ted said your taste changes over time, I'm not much of a Smark but I knows what I likes and John Cena, Steve Austin, Goldberg and Shane McMahon don't fall into that list. I guess I just like the Bad Guys due to the fact that the Good Guys always win, You know as a alternative.

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Ill post exactly what i did on PWF as well.

Look i dont care. I knew Jericho was a heel when he came out to AUs. And although i find his act highly entertainging. I WILL BOO HIS ASS back to Canada. Simply because thats what i am supposed to do. Call me a sheep. But it sounds fucking stupid on TV when you have three quarts of a crowd behind the face and there is this piss ant section of righteous assholes who will go out of there way to cheer the heel. Its totally confusing.

HHH in an interview stated he wants to go down as the greatest heel of all time. Yet because fans continue to cheer for him cause hes there favourite... its never going to happen that way... The wrestlers dont care whether they are booed. ITS THERE FUCKING JOB TO GET BOOED if they is heel. If they is face ITS THERE JOB TO GET CHEERED. Its why if HHH went face even though i hate his fucking guts. I am going to cheer him no end. Cause hes a face...

Ways to clarify the problem WWe has... Stop having Faces use dirty tactics... A superhero(hurricane)although a midget should never EVER resort to eye gouging.

Make the faces, Faces... in the WWe at the moment especially on RAW... The Faces are pretty clearcut if you ask me... Infortunately they have been buried so fucken hard that noone cares whether they are faces. You know according to the crowd. RVD is a clean cut face, with an arrogant attitude... But because he was jobbed out so terribly, how is a crowd supposed to get behind a face when he is looking like a bitch, and never returning shots.
Booker T another clean cut face... Doing NOTHING. Same boat as RVD...

Sometimes the WWe MUSH push for a top face on RAW. Cause nothing in the past has ever survived where the heel is the most dominating. HHH has got the heel act down to a tee... although he does win matches in questionable circumstances...(clean) Jericho had it down, Steiner has it down... The heel part for RAW especially is not a problem... Its the fact that they dont know how to push Heel/Face matches with the face coming out on top anymore.
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Im more of a heel fan myself, I always find myself cheering the heels and not the faces, thats the way I always was and Im still going to be the same. When Kurt Angle attacked Eddie last week(don't get me wrong I like Eddie)I was cheering the hell out of it. I was enjoying it and because I was enjoying it, I know now that Im a heel fan. I knew that Kurt was turning heel and I loved it, Kurt Angle has always been one of the best heels in the WWE, it just clicked with him. When Kurt is face, it dosen't work that well, when he is a face, he's gay, tell me if this isn't gay, "If you wan't me to open a can of whoop ass on this big bastard give me a You Suck", now I know it is all scripted but that just sucked. So to me it also depends on who the person that is potraying a heel or face is, if it's Angle I will only cheer him as a heel and if it's Austin I will only cheer him as a face. So it all depends, but most of the time I cheer for heels
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