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Old 12 Jul 2007, 12:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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****ORDER OF THE PHOENIX AND HALF BLOOD PRINCE SPOILERS****


















Okay so this book comes out in 10 days and I must say I'm fairly geeked about it. I realize I'm prolly the only one here who feels this way.

Regardless, since this is that last one and at least one main character dies, I want it down somewhere with a timestamp exactly what I think can and what I think will happen.

While I'm focused on the resolution of the battle with Voldemort, just about everyone else is focused on this thing about one of the main characters dying. So I'll use that as my basis. I'll name a character and then a possible scenario that I think could play out.

This is all guesswork, BTW.

Harry - Okay, let's face it. This is 50%. Not likely, but entirely possible and wouldn't be a total shocker. I mean...the guy who scared every witch and wizard so badly that they won't even mention his name is looking to kill Harry Potter before taking over the wizarding world. He has many well financed and well connected people in his service, and Harry's a teenager who will (presumably) not be living under the circle of protection that Dumbledore placed on the Dursley home. He's practically dead meat.

If this is the case, it will be up to Neville Longbottom to kill Voldemort. In Order of the Phoenix, we learned that either Harry or Neville were destined to challenge Voldemort and that one of the three of them would end up killed by another. Dumbledore said that Voldemort ensured that Harry was the prophesied one when he "marked" him his equal...although he wasn't expecting the Avada Kedavra curse to "mark" Harry, so much as he meant for it to kill him.

Oh well. Very possible storyline but I think too obvious. Rowling makes quite a bit obvious about the ending of her books so that the second time you read them you ask yourself why you didn't see it sooner. However she masks those hints with such complete subtlety and grace that it's almost impossible to see the first time around. I view Harry's possible murder as not likely.

Hermione - This could play out because she's always trying to figure things out before all the data can be collected, and her curiosity gets her into trouble. Also, as one of Harry's two best friends and as the object of Harry's other best friend's affections, Hermione is inherently in danger from Voldemort, who often uses deception involving one's family and friends to lure victims to their demise.

Hermione's a great character, but if she dies, it opens the door for Rowling to explore the very VERY borderline homosexual relationship between Harry and Ron. Maybe it's just because Harry and Ron's relationship is so often an integral part of Rowling's story and it's being written from a women's perspective, but they seem awfully gay to me. Dunno. Just throwing that out there.

If Hermione dies, both Harry and Ron will double team Voldemort to kill him. Ron's level of Pissed Off should be at 10.

Ron - other than the fact that Ron eventually became a suitable replacement for Wood on the Quidditch Team, Ron's not made a truly significant tangible contribution to The Order. If he dies, it'll be especially hard on Hermione, who suffers from self esteem issues despite the fact that the Wizarding World's version of Michael Jordan became her groupie for a year.

She is however hopelessly in love with Ron Weasley and it's an affection he reciprocates, to the point where at the end of Half Blood Prince, the two of them were practically betrothed.

Harry's Pissed Off would be at 11 on this, but even he would take a slight backseat to Hermione, who would probably think Voldemort out of existence in retaliation.

This would open the door for Harry and Hermione to hook up. They're both brilliant in their own ways, and they're incredibly close, much more so than Harry is to Ginny. Sure, they'd be kind of going behind Ron's dead back, but he's dead...the fuck's it matter at that point?

Ginny - Oh would Harry be pissed. He and she kinda just came together, and Harry'd felt the bug about her for a while, she's wanted him since before she was introduced. Harry sort of ditched her "for her own good" but being that she's a Weasley and practically the only family Harry has now that Sirius is dead, I don't see that happening.

If Voldemort by occlumency or spies is able to discern the extent of the relationship between them, then she will probably be a main target of his, due to the fact that not only is she Harry's squeeze, but Harry is very close with every member of her family who may or may not blame him for her untimely death, should it come to be.

Since Voldemort plays like Satan and works discord to its fullest, this has a high probability of success, and I think is most likely to be the way it plays out. However being that Harry and Ginny were only together for a total of a hundred pages or so...if that...I doubt this is how Rowling will go.

It would seem to disingenuous if she were to simply manufacture this quick relationship, discard it shortly after it begins and then end it in tragedy. I think she's going to destroy something or someone that she's spent time building, and that wouldn't be it...or maybe it would?? Despite their not being a "couple" very long, Rowling did plant the seeds of the relationship in Chamber of Secrets. Certainly she all but ignored it over the next two or three books but it would still seem rather rushed.

Very likely though.

Professor Snape - VERY LIKELY. Snape is in a bad position. He had to kill Dumbledore, which sets everyone who isn't a Death Eater against him. However he's still a member of the Order of the Phoenix and I don't think he wanted to kill Dumbledore at all...more on that later.

Basically when Voldemort finds out that Snape is in fact a double agent, then there's only two people in the Wizarding World who won't be looking for his head. Draco and Narcissa Malfoy.

Snape is as good as dead, and the poor guy deserves better. That may sound strange, but again...I'll explain that later.

If Snape dies...it probably won't have an overly large hand in the outcome of things, but it's quite likely. More likely than not, by the 3/4 point of the Deathly Hollows, Snape will be marked for death by everyone except the Malfoys.

Neville Longbottom - Voldemort never heard the whole prophecy, so he did not/may not know about the possiblity that it's Neville Longbottom and not Harry Potter that will kill him. If Voldemort is made aware of this and then finds himself in close proximity to Neville, he will most likely strike him dead immediately.

This could lead to a "Villain's Back Is Turned" moment of opportunity for Harry to seal the deal, or it could be something Voldey does on his way to dinner one night. However since he is quite possibly the one who is "destined" to kill Voldemort, he will eventually be a target as well.

It would be a shame as Neville's rounded out to be such a great character for the books, and it would at least be nice to see Neville get the opportunity to avenge his parents by killing Barty Crouch Jr, or at the very least Bellatrix LeStrange.

Side note: very cool to see Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix in OOTP. GREAT casting move, IMO.

Anyway, that's what could play out. There are a couple of other "Main Characters" I guess, but I don't really think any of them are going to be the one Rowling kills.

Well, except for one.

I personally think that J.K. Rowling is going to kill Draco Malfoy.

Throughout Half Blood Prince, Dumbledore protects Draco.

Draco has to fix the bureau in the Room of Requirement. He has to do this to allow Death Eaters access to Hogwarts. The ancillary points of this is to cause chaos, kill mudbloods, kill any kids who are still a part of Dumbledore's Army or even The Order, and kill any teachers who are with or sympathetic to The Order.

The main point of it however is to capture Dumbledore, and for Draco Malfoy to kill Dumbledore personally. This was ordered by Voldemort, and it was made clear throughout Half Blood Prince that Draco was to succeed or Voldemort would kill him and possibly his mother and/or father.

Snape made the Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa Malfoy to protect her son Draco in his exploits at Hogwarts. Throughout HBP Snape and Dumbledore are seen arguing vigorously. I infer that the argument is that Snape has made the Unbreakable Vow and MUST keep Malfoy alive. His position as a double agent with the Death Eaters makes him too valuable to The Order to lose his cover.

To keep Malfoy alive, Snape not only has to make sure he completes his task in the Room of Requirement but also to see that Dumbledore dies as a direct result of it. Dumbledore's saved Snape's ass on more than one occasion and throughout the series (although Harry, Ron and Hermione have never acknowledged it) Snape has saved Harry Potter's ass as well.

Noone in that scene at the end of HBP, not even the bloodthirsty Fenrir Greyback was about to kill Dumbledore, and the Death Eaters were calling Malfoy to step up and make his bones. Malfoy was clearly not able to, as Dumbledore himself told him before the arrival of the Death Eaters when he dared Malfoy to kill him and said he wasn't a killer, nor was he a Death Eater.

Snape was incredibly loyal to Dumbledore and did not want to ensure the success of Draco Malfoy's clandestine operation, MUCH LESS bring about Dumbledore's death, as he's just about the only person on Earth who trusts him.

Some people might think that Dumbledore was begging for his own life at the end of HBP, but I'm of the opinion that Dumbledore was begging for Draco's life, and in that sense also begging Snape to kill him, and that's because he knew that Draco would, in the end, be a deciding factor in the victory of good over evil.

Dumbledore wouldn't have given his life for some pretentious snot nosed idiot if he wasn't going to affect the bottom line.

Malfoy will be put in some tough positions, and before the end, he will act for what's right, and that will have a very large effect on the outcome of the battle with Voldemort. This action will be heroic and selfless, something noone would've ever thought Draco Malfoy would be capable of.

This action will lead to the eventual downfall of Voldemort, and also to Draco Malfoy's death. I'm guessing Harry will be standing over him, talking him into the void, ala Aragorn and Boromir at the climax of Fellowship Of The Ring.

I don't know how or why...but that's what I think's going to happen. The book Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows comes out in America on July 21st.

Late.
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I'm really excited for the book actually. I saw the order of the phoenix. it was amazing. this was a great read man.
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Yeah...I need to get Brandy the eBook whenever it becomes available.

I enjoy watching the movies with her...but I have no desire to read the books personally.
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Like Xer0, I'm all up for watching the movies- they're great. I'm not much of a reader though, I've read up to the Goblet of Fire.
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So who is going to play asshole the second it's released by driving around the bookstore parking lot shouting who the dead characters are to people walking out the store with the book?

Drive around shouting Harry killed Herimone and Ron and see what reaction you get.
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I think you guys might actually be looking forward to this more than my 10 yr old cousin....that frightens me a little

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Yeah, it'll probably be Malfoy. Good read, and some interesting points.

I hope that ugly forgetful faggot Neville Longbottom gets killed
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I couldn't even get through one paragraph in your post, Glue. No way can I get through an entire book
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LMAO. I'll have it read before any spoilers get posted.

I remember with Half Blood Prince, Sin posted that Snape kills Dumbledore and put it in his sig a week after the book came out.

That might have pissed me off if I hadn't read the book cover to cover in the 36 hours after it was released.

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LMAO. I'll have it read before any spoilers get posted.

I remember with Half Blood Prince, Sin posted that Snape kills Dumbledore and put it in his sig a week after the book came out.

That might have pissed me off if I hadn't read the book cover to cover in the 36 hours after it was released.

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One of those was supposedly an actual spoiler
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One of those was supposedly an actual spoiler
Not sure how that could happen, given that there's a tighter seal on the Harry Potter stuff than there is on the identity of CIA informants...

And so what if Hagrid dies? He's a liability to the order at best. And if Hermione dies, then I look forward to Ron and Harry outing each other. As I said in the original post...they seem awful gay to me.

Rumor has it that there is no final chapter. Just a black page and some Journey lyrics.

Now that would piss me off supremely.

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