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Old 12 Apr 2003, 03:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So I hear Tupac's coming back next year.....

So I hear Tupac will be back from Cuba (where he's been hiding out since September '96 and where US media is prohibited) and he's gonna rip ass on the American rap scene, where no one is safe from his verbal wrath. Whattdya y'all think?
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LMFAO....Well if the 7th Day Theory is true...I guess it should happen this year...I was about to say....You know you watch too much wrestling when you think 2Pac Shakur's murder was a work....
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Here's a site that has a shitload of "coincidences" about his murder and what not. After reading a lot of it, it really makes me think that his death was faked. Check it out and then offer your opinion about if you think he will be back on September 13th of this year....


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The events leading up to September 7, 1996, the tragic day Tupac was shot are as controversial as the shooting itself. It was said that there were some problems between Deathrow?s lawyer and Suge?s right hand man, David Kenner and Tupac. On August 26th, 12 days before Tupac was shot, he was on the set all day and at the studio all night. On the 27th, he sent Yaasmyn Fula, who managed his business affairs, to the studio to get tapes of what he was done. Deathrow would not allow her access to the tapes as David Kenner, Deathrow?s lawyer and Suge?s right hand man, denied her the tapes. It?s rumored that Tupac had Yaasmyn write Deathrow a letter saying that Tupac had finished his last album and would be leaving Deathrow. Tupac later went back to LA, and although he wanted to go to Atlanta to visit relatives, Suge convinced Tupac to go to the Tyson/Seldon fight in Las Vegas as he had promised.

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The Tyson vs. Seldon boxing match was held Saturday, September 7, 1996. Tupac and Suge sat up front and Tupac cheered Tyson on as he had done so many times before. The fight lasted only 109 seconds. While walking through the lobby of the MGM grand after the fight the entourage noticed Orlando Anderson. In a prior incident in a Lakewood Mall, Orlando Anderson stole Travon Lane?s Death Row medallion that happened to be a personal give from Suge Knight. Tupac stepped up to Orlando and said "You from the south?" Tupac then punched him in the face knocking him on the ground, after which Suge and the Deathrow entourage proceeded to beat him. Rumors surrounding the shooting have Orlando?s Anderson with Jerry Bonds driving the white Cadillac while Dwayne Keith Davis (Keefee D) was the shooter. An article in Details magazine stated that Orlando and his brother wanted to start a studio, but didn?t have the resources. Allegedly after the shooting they came into some money, and the possibility of a pay off for some role in the shooting is possible. Anderson, an alleged crip who claims he?s not affiliated, also denied the shooting and stated he was a possible scapegoat. He was shot 2 years later in an incident outside a car wash.

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Heading to club 662 There were some strange occurrences in Las Vegas according to the book written by Tupac?s bodyguard Frank Alexander. The first, was that permits were not sent ahead of time so they were not allowed to carry guns. The second was that he ended up without his phone, and the third coincidence would come after the fight. After the beating of Orlando Anderson the entourage returned to where they were staying at the Luxor Hotel, a block south of the Las Vegas strip. Tupac changed from tan silk shirt and jeans to a basketball top and sweat pants and wore his Euphanasia Medallion. The cars were delivered to the front, Tupac went with Suge, and Frank Alexander ended up driving Keisha?s car, with no gas, and supposedly no weapon. They headed to Suge Knight?s Las Vegas residence on Monte Rosa Avenue. They stayed there until after 10pm when they left towards Club 662 at 1700 East Flamingo Road. Suge and Tupac were driving with Suge at the wheel of a newly purchased 1996 black 760 BMW sedan. They were cruising down the strip playing Makaveli when at 11:05pm they were stopped for playing the stereo too loud and not displaying proper plates. Of interesting note, is that the shooting took place just after the police stopped them, and this time may well have been used to plan the timing of the drive-by shooting. After they were let go Suge and Tupac headed East on Flamingo road where they stopped for a red light at Koval Lane, half mile from the Strip. One car pulled up a car-length ahead to the right and Kadafi, Frank and EDI were in the car behind them. A jeep full of girls pulled up to the left and got Suge and Tupac?s attention, and that?s when it happened.


The Shooting

A late-model Cadillac with four men inside pulled up directly to the right of the BMW and sprayed 13 rounds into the car. Police reported that a .45 was shot, but it?s believed that information was withheld to identify the real shooter; apparently a .9mm was used. Tupac saw it going down and tried to jump into the back seat. He was hit twice, one bullet hit him his leg and ricocheted up into his lung. Suge was hit in the head with a piece of shrapnel. There were reports that gunfire was returned, but this has been debated and has not been verified completely. The Cadillac turned right onto Koval Lane and vanished. Some cars in the entourage tried to follow the Cadillac but it seemingly disappeared.

Suge meanwhile, pulled a u-turn and headed back down East Flamingo. Suge reportedly told Tupac that he was going to get him to a hospital. The u-turn was questionable because the Desert Springs Hospital is located at 2075 East Flamingo, not far from club 662. Suge knows the area all to well as he used to play for the UNLV Rebels. The cops turned and followed Suge down the road instead of securing the crime scene. As a result the scene and evidence was ran over and dispersed through traffic. Three cars from their entourage also followed Suge down East Flamingo. Suge got caught up in traffic, went up over a median, ran a red light and popped a couple tires on the center divider. He ran the red light at Harmon Avenue and then got stuck on the median with four flat tires. Police, ambulance and the fire department arrived on the scene that was in total chaos. Reports were made of people running up trying to snatch side-mirrors and such off of the car. Tupac?s entourage was ordered to get on the ground and held at gunpoint while Tupac was loaded into an ambulance and taken to University Medical Center. Shooting discussed on Unsolved Mysteries.
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The Hospital

Tupac remained at the intensive care unit while family and friends had a vigil at the hospital. When I found out Tupac had been shot I was shocked, I really wasn’t expecting it. I said “yeah, just wait till he comes this time, he’s gonna be really pissed.” The thought that Tupac could have died really didn’t occur to me at first, he always seemed larger than life. While in the hospital Tupac had his right lung removed, he was in and out of consciousness and was highly sedated. Later he was placed on a ventilator and respirator, life-support, and put into a drug-induced coma. The doctor made a promising statement that Tupac had passed the critical phase and had a fifty percent chance of survival. Considering the odds Tupac had been faced with through out life and had always succeeded, a fifty percent chance seemed like a certainty. Unfortunately they couldn’t stop the internal bleeding and Tupac passed. After several attempts to revive him, his mother Afeni, decided to let him rest. “I really felt it was important for Tupac, who fought so hard, to have a free spirit. I felt it was important for his spirit to be allowed to be free. So I rejoiced with him, with the release of his spirit.” On September, Friday the 13th, the always-lively Tupac had breathed his last breath.

Bloods vs Crips Aftermath

In the following week of Tupac’s shooting three people were killed in 12 shootings. The police performed a massive raid of almost 40 houses including Orlando Anderson’s where they confiscated a Deathrow Pendant. On Sept the 9th, on East Alondra, a man who Las Vegas police said may have been in the Cadillac was shot in the back. On the 11th Bobby Finch, who Compton cops said may have also been in the Cadillac was gunned down on South Mayo at 9:05 am. Two bloods were shot and killed by an assailant who fled on foot. On May 29, 1998, Anderson and his friend Michael Reed Dorrough pulled into the parking lot of Cigs Record Store at the intersection of Alondra and Oleander in Compton. Here he met Michael Stone, also a crip, who was with his nephew, Jerry Stone. Tempers rose and a gunfight erupted. Orlando and the Stones were all fatally injured. An informant told police it was connected with the killing of Tupac, others said it was over money. It seems odd that if Orlando Anderson were responsible for the killing of Tupac it would take two years before he was killed, by a fellow crip nonetheless.

Suge Knight Parole Violation

In the beating of Orlando Anderson Suge Knight was charged with violating his probation. Suge claimed that he was trying to break up the rumble, and Anderson confirmed his story in his testimony. However, Anderson later changed his story and said that Suge was in fact involved. Suge was sentenced to nine years in prison, however he got out early and is now a free man.

Police investigation

The police investigations in the two shootings of Tupac were shabby at best. It would seem that the police were not interested in solving the shootings and as EDI of the Outlawz stated “(He) was just another black man that had a strong opinion—and now he’s out of the way.” Tupac’s dislike for the police and vice-versa was not a secret. Tupac had previously been charged for shooting two off duty officers in the rear end after they harassed him for jay walking. The case was dismissed because the officers had guns that were taken from evidence. In the 1996 Las Vegas shooting, the police department claimed that the witnesses weren’t cooperating. Kadafi as an eye witness, wasn’t helped in custody. Police said that David Kenner, Deathrow’s lawyer, made meetings with the police but never showed up. Kadafi was later shot and killed in New Jersey. Some other interesting points was that no helicopter was called in to look for the Cadillac, the crime scene was destroyed, trained bodyguards couldn’t give an accurate description and it happened just off the strip with no witnesses. The irony of Tupac’s last movie, Gang Related is heavy. Tupac proposes to setup their crimes on a drug dealer because nobody will care.

Conclusion

The impact of Tupac’s death spans from the inner workings of rap to all the people and fans alike who have suffered the loss. It was hard to believe that somebody so fearless, so alive, and who defied all odds, could actually be mortal, and it’s hard to except his passing. Indeed there are many oddities about the death of Tupac that have caused fans to dissect, probe and evaluate the information in search of answers. While the lack of closure has made it hard to accept, the theories surrounding his death have only added to his controversial and legendary status.

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The biggest controversy over Tupac has been the question, is he dead or alive. The alive rumors which originally began on the internet started when Tupac's CD Makaveli: The 7 Day theory came out after his death. Makaveli is of course Tupac's alias based on the Italian philosopher Machiaveli. Machiaveli wrote "The Prince" a warriors handbook on how to achieve and hold power, which led people to believe that Tupac faked his death to fool his enemies and then come back to over throw them. The CD cover of Makaveli shows Tupac on a cross, which leads some people to believe it is part of a plan for resurrection. The title Killuminati, the 7 day theory, in combination with a significant amount of the number 7 (his time of death 4:03 4 + 3 = 7 etc), added to this theory. Another factor which adds to the theory is the "Plan" that Tupac refers too. In many songs he mentions having a plan to get richer. It's possible this plan was faking his death, the other possible plan was the label Makaveli Records he was trying to start. Since the alive theory was started people have looked into his music for references to the alive theory with incredible depth. The only problem I have with the theory is that at times people look so far into his music I feel they miss the actual point of the line, phrase or song, and I feel it takes away from his music. There are many other things people need to take into consideration when pondering the alive theory. If Tupac is alive and he came back, he would face charges for faking his death, which is a serious offense. He always said "I'd rather die before I see the penitentiary." Also, if he's faked his death for the purpose of coming back, wouldn't it make more sense not to leave clues and make it a complete surprise ? Don't get me wrong, there are many suspicious factors in the death of Tupac, many of which justify the alive theory completely, but many other facts have just been twisted. Which facts are true and which aren't ?

On the right there's a list of the main alive reason theories, and on the left, there's evidence to contradict the theory statement. Either one could be right. Dead or Alive ? You decide.
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Orlando Anderson was a well known 22 year old crip from the south side of Compton, who many believe although not necessarily directly responsible for Tupac's death, was the cause of it. It started when Travon Lane (Tray), Kevin Woods, and Maurice Combs, Mob Pirus Bloods, were at a Foot Locker at Lakewood Mall. They were approached by 3 Southside Crips, and Orlando Anderson (Baby Lane) stole Tray's Death Row medallion which happened to be a personal gift from Suge Knight. On the night of September 7th 1996, Suge, Tupac and Travon Lane were at the Tyson/Seldon fight in Las Vegas. While leaving the MGM Tray noticed Orlando Anderson and pointed him out. Tupac stepped up to Orlando and said "You from the south?", then punched him in the face knocking him on the ground, after which Suge and the Deathrow entourage proceeded to beat him. Later that night Tupac was shot and killed. There is a lot of evidence which suggests that it was in fact crips that were responsible for the death of Tupac. The police report names Southside Crips member, Jerry Bonds as the guy who drove the Cadillac in which the bullets were fired from. There was a source that told Compton police that at Club 662, he heard Tray say that the shooter was Orlando's uncle Dwayne Keith Davis (Keefee D). Orlando Anderson was arrested by Compton police on October 2 and held for questioning, but they couldn't find any substantial evidence to link him to the murder and he was released. The following week erupted in gang violence between crips and bloods in which many people were murdered. On Sept the 9th, on East Alondra a man who Las Vegas police said may have been in the Cadillac was shot in the back. On the 11th Bobby Finch, who Compton cops said may have also been in the Cadillac was gunned down on South Mayo at 9:05 am. Two bloods were shot and killed by an assailant who fled on foot. Suge Knight who took part in the beating of Anderson in the MGM was violating his parole in doing so. Anderson told the police that Suge was part of the beating, then reversed his testimony on the witness stand. It was rumored that Suge had paid Anderson off. The judge sentenced Suge to over 7 years in prison. On May 29, 1998, Anderson and his friend Michael Reed Dorrough pulled into the parking lot of Cigs Record Store at the intersection of Alondra and Oleander in Compton. Here he met Michael Stone, also a crip, who was with his nephew, Jerry Stone. Tempers rose and a gunfight erupted. Orlando and the Stones were all fatally injured. An informant told police it was connected with the killing of Tupac, others said it was over money. I personally believe that Anderson was not responsible for the death of Tupac, if he was he would have been killed long before a fellow crip killed him in 1998.
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If you listen closely to the first three seconds of Makaveli 7 Day theory you can hear "Suge shot me." It's hard to say how, by who, and when it was put there. It remains a mystery. When Tupac was sent to prison in 1994 he was planning on spending atleast 3 years there. He hated prison and would have done anything to get himself out of there. Suge had previously asked him to join Deathrow, but he said "he just wasn't ready." The reality of it is that Tupac didn't want to join Deathrow, but changed his mind when faced with prison. Suge said he'd get Tupac out, in exchange Tupac had to do 3 albums for Deathrow. They worked out a contract in which Tupac would receive an advance of $1 million for the first album, in addition to $125,000 for a car, a $120,000 expense allowance for one year, a $250,000 legal fund to be spent as Tupac desired, and David's legal services. Tupac would be paid a royalty of 18% for sales of the first album, plus a bonus of 1% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. For the second and third, Tupac would be paid an advance of no less than $1 million, or $1 million for every million copies of the prior album which was sold, and he would be paid a royalty of 18% of sales, plus a bonus of l% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison. Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope. Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 CD's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times. While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wiltshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 separate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a Porsche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive. He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid. On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd. Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson. Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris. In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife. Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row. He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs. When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate. He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000. He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought.

There was a five-figure life insurance policy, the beneficiary was Sekyiwa, a $61,000 Jaguar that Suge got for Tupac's appearance in a commercial, and a Hummer. His apartment, Rolls-Royce, and Mercedes were listed in Death Row's name. There's no question Deathrow was run corruptly, and they owed Tupac a lot of money, which is reason enough to kill Tupac. With Tupac's last CD, Makaveli The 7 Day theory, Tupac was poised to leave the row as he'd filled his contract agreement. He was ready to setup Makaveli Records and Euphanasia, a production company from which he wanted to make movies. He was going to be the first artist on the label, One Nation was the second and he had plans to sign Greg Nice and Smooth, another group at quest and Ghetto Starz which is an offshoot of The Outlaws. He also had another company called 24/7, for his music and video work, the scripts he was writing, and the books he would begin as soon as he finished the plans he was doing with Leila to reform the educational system. On August 26th, 12 days before Tupac was shot, he was on the set all day and at the studio all night. On the 27th, Tupac sent Yaasmyn Fula, who managed his business affairs, to the studio to get tapes of what he had done because he wanted to listen to them. Deathrow said no, David Kenner wouldn't allow it. Tupac fired him. Yaasmyn wrote a letter saying that Tupac had finished his last album and he wanted to leave Death Row. Tupac gave Yaasmyn permission to hire another lawyer. On September 7th, Tupac went back to L.A. He decided he wasn't going to go to Las Vegas, but to Atlanta to settle problems with some relatives instead. Suge got him to change his plans because weeks before he'd promised Suge he'd go to the Tyson/Seldon fight with him. He said he didn't want to go, but he'd given Suge his word. At the MGM Grand Tupac was mad because Suge showed up at the last minute. He sat in section 4, row E, seat 2. After the fight they got into a fight and beat Orlando Anderson, a crip who snatched a Deathrow chain from Travis Lane. They went back to Suge's place and got ready to go to club 662 owned by Suge. Tupac had wanted to drive his Hummer, but Suge said that they had things to discuss and got Tupac to ride with him. They drove first in a caravan of cars towards club 662. A white Cadillac pulled up beside them and opened fire. Tupac tried to get into the backseat, but Suge pulled him down, and a bullet bounced off of his right hip bone and hit is lung. He was also hit in his right hand and chest. Suge was grazed by a bullet, and suffered a minor head wound. Immediately after the shooting, the Cadillac went south on Koval. Suge made a U-turn from the left lane of Flamingo and sped West toward Las Vegas Blvd., away from the nearest hospital. Yafeu Fula (Khadafi) had been in the car behind the BMW with bodyguards and said he could identify the shooter. He was later found dead in New Jersey with one shot to the back of his head. What reason would Suge have to kill Tupac ? Well Tupac had over 200 master tapes, tapes which would leave Deathrow if Tupac left, if dead they would own rights to the tapes and they wouldn't have to pay the enormous amount of money they owed him. Perhaps Tupac had knowledge of the Row that Suge didn't want him to have if he left. Whoever it was that shot Tupac, didn't seem to want to kill Suge. 13 shots were fired at the car and Suge was grazed by one. Orlando Anderson, who was rumored to have been part of the shooting was a crip, and Suge was a blood. Anderson originally testified that Suge had participated in the beating in the MGM theater, a violation of Suge's parole. He later changed his statement. It was rumored that Anderson was paid off.
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Many people probably find the thought of the government being involved in the deaths of raps largest figures absurd, but I can assure you this theory should hold a lot of merit. The Wu tang single Triumph Pt.2 came out in the United Kingdom containing a song called "Diesel," in which Old Dirty Bastard says, "I need help the government is after me. I need help someone help me please. Someone help me. They already did Tupac in, Biggie Smalls." He also says, "CIA told me not to say nothin' about Biggie and Tupac. Life's a little somethin' whenever there's no witnesses. You know the government had to do with this."

It's no secret that rap has declined since the death of Tupac and Biggie. Their deaths maybe have been a consequence of lifestyle, and there are many theories such as the Suge and Orlando theories. But there is one theory that people seem to be overlooking. What role has the government and government officials played in the life, and quite possibly the death of Tupac ? I believe the government to be more involved in all aspects of life than people choose or want to believe. The government's view of rap has never been in question. They wanted it stopped when it first began. They tried to convince people and themselves that it was only a phase that would soon end, but it has proven to prevail. Still they are actively trying to censor it. Why would they want it stopped, banned, censored ? Because it allows people to speak their mind ? Because it brings truth to the masses ? In this article I will show you how the government has affected Tupac's Life and how and why they may have wanted to end it.

"My words are weapons and I'm stepping to the silence, but you, claim that I'm violent." - Tupac Shakur

From Tupac's first album 2Pacalypse, the government has tried to silence him. Tupac talked about the struggles of "Young Black Males" and the government returned the response, "This album, has no place in our society" - Dan Quayle. Who's society is he talking about ? Who's he to say what we can and can't listen to ? Tupac's retaliation in Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z attacked the government, especially Quayle. "Vice President Dan Quayle Eat a Dick Up", and also government officials in songs such as "Souljah'z Story". Tupac had this to say about the album, "When this song came out (Brenda's Got a Baby), no male rappers at all anywhere were talking about problems that females were having, number one. Number two, it talked about child molestation, it talked about families taking advantages of families, it talked about the effects of poverty, it talked about how one person's problems can affect a whole community of people. It talked about how the innocent are the ones that get hurt. It talked about drugs, the abuse of drugs, broken families... how she couldn't leave the baby, you know, the bond that a mother has with her baby and how...women need to be able to make a choice." In a deposition referring to the album he stated "You don't have to agree with me, but just to understand what I'm talking about. Compassion, to show compassion." In Tupac's early albums he rapped about the need for black unity, "ni**a," in Tupac's lexicon, stood for "Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished."

Not long after the controversy surrounding the album, Tupac was harassed by 2 OFF DUTY Police officers. Tupac retaliated by shooting the officers in the behind. "The charges were dropped when it emerged that the policemen had been drinking and had initiated the incident, and when the prosecution's own witness testified that the gun one of the officers threatened Tupac with had been seized in a drug bust and then stolen from an evidence locker." - A REPORTER AT LARGE, THE TAKEDOWN OF TUPAC BY CONNIE BRUCK.

Tupac's next release was Thug Life vol. 1, the idea of the album was to release multiple volumes, each with different rappers, and allow gang members to get rid of the gang life by becoming musicians, as you can see his albums were an attempt to help the black community. Not long after the release of Thug Life vol. 1, just prior to the Release of the album, Me Against the World, Tupac was convicted of a rape, sodomy and gun possession in NY. Tupac claimed that he did not rape her, that he left the room and went to sleep, but that the men he was with may have harmed her, not guilty for rape, he claimed, he shouldn't have left her alone. As for the guns (there were more than 1), he stated they also belonged to the other men he was with. The day before trial, November 30th, 1994. At 12:20 a.m, he was entering a New York Recording studio. He was with his entourage of 3 men, Puffy, Biggie and Lil' Cease were also there. The 3 men rushed Pac as everybody else with Tupac dropped to the floor, Tupac was shot 5 times and robbed of $40000. It's rather peculiar that Tupac was the only one shot because Tupac was the smallest of the men there, and odd that he was the only one robbed because he was not the only one wearing jewelry. Tupac was taken upstairs where he called his mother, and then called 911. Strangely, the police took a long time to arrive, and when they did arrive on the scene, they were the same officers which had not only arrested, but also testified against him in the sexual assault case.

"First cop I looked up to see was the cop that took the stand against me in the rape charge," Tupac said. "He had a half-smile on his face, and he could see them looking at my balls. He said, 'What's up, Tupac, how's it hanging'."

The police did little to solve the shooting. There were no arrests and no serious leads ever pursued.

"Police did little to locate and interview independent witnesses. Police also displayed little interest in possible motives for an attempted murder of Shakur. When questioned about the case two years later, NYPD detectives were ill-informed, even about basic details of the 1994 shooting. On police reports, the NYPD listed the stolen items as "assorted bracelets or rings with no value," in contrast to press accounts placing the jewelry's worth at $40,000. Police were not even sure how many times Shakur was shot or how many gunmen there were." - Tupac & the Cops: Tale of Death & Distrust By Joel Domhoff, Scott Menscher & Joe Stevens The next day, when Tupac appeared in court, the rape and gun charges were dismissed, and Tupac was convicted of, touching her rear end, and sentenced to 4 years in a maximum security prison. This seems like a fairly high jail sentence.

Tupac, as all leads placed Bad Boy as the setup men for the ambush, claimed it was in fact Bad Boy that set him up. Bad Boy, however, even after Shakur's death, denies ever having set him up. Tupac's next album, All Eyez on Me, after serving 8 months of his jail sentence, was a part from any of his past albums. Although in my opinion, one of the best albums of all time, it didn't have the black unity that his past albums had. You only need to look at the first two songs, "Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z" became "Ambitionz az a ridah" and "Brenda's got a Baby became "All About U". Tupac became bitter from the prison time and events he'd endured. This is when the East and West Coast began to split. In a letter Mutulu Shakur wrote to Biggie's Family, he mentions a similar incident in the past in which the government killed a certain prominent political figure which lead to the death of another, causing a tear in the unity of East and West. With rappers becoming more and more like black political figures you can see what I'm getting at. I believe it's possible that the government initiated not only this setup, but also the killing of Tupac on Sept 13, 1996. Not surprisingly, 6 months after the killing of Tupac, Biggie was also shot and killed in retaliation to the murder of Tupac. The police have done little to solve either of these murders.

"Two of Tupac's associates have come forward to tell the Los Angeles Times that Vegas police never contacted them after initial--and they say hostile--questioning just after the crime. In fact, the two say, they might be able to identify the killers. Singer Malcolm Greenridge told the Times that he was in the car behind Tupac's and saw all four faces in a white Cadillac traveling alongside, the instant before someone in the Cadillac shot into Tupac's car. "I can't promise you I could identify them, but nobody has ever even asked me to try," he said. The driver of the car in which Greenridge was riding, Frank Alexander, identified as Tupac's former bodyguard, says he actually saw the shooter, but also hadn't
been shown photos or a lineup. Both said they did not try to contact Las Vegas police because they distrust them. Just after the shooting, "The police shoved guns in our faces and threatened us," Greenridge said. "They made us lay face down in the middle of the street. Even after they realized we were telling the truth, they never apologized." "If you ask me, I don't think they really care who killed Tupac," Greenridge continued. "(He) was just another black man that had a strong opinion--and now he's out of the way." - Witnesses Say Police Blew Tupac Investigation: Jeff B. Copeland

It's easy to see that a split in West and East coast rappers would weaken rap. As Tupac stated "United we Stand, Divided we Fall, They can shoot one ni**a but they can't take us all." It's well known that Tupac and Biggie are and were the most prominent figures in the West and East, and a split between them would cause a split in East and West Coast. The deaths of them would and has sparked retaliation. Whether the government or government police officials are guilty of Tupac's death is anybody's call, but if not guilty they are responsible, guilty of harassing and not protecting him with the same rights as any member of society deserves.
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***We all know the Infamous Death Row Vs. Bad Boy War....The Shootin' in '94 basically was the catalyst to the whole East Coast Vs. West Coast War...***

Trouble really began for Tupac after he was shot November 30th, 1994 at 12:20 a.m. It set the grounds for his beef with Biggie/Puffy and Badboy Records. He was shot 5 times in a recording studio in Times Square. There were many theories on this shooting. The media largely portrayed the shooting as a standard robbery, in which Tupac went for his gun, and was shot. According to Tupac however, the story runs a lot deeper.

According to Tupac the trouble began on the set of Above the Rim, where he met a guy named Nigel. Nigel introduced him to Trevor. Both were alleged Black Mafia members and were rumored to fund BadBoy Records. They took Tupac out, and according to Tupac made him 'mature'. They wanted Tupac to join the BadBoy records label, however Tupac refused. This is rumored to be the a reason he was shot. Also, Tupac apparently dissed one of their friends, Jacques Agnant in an interview. This according to Tupac, may have been a reason why he was setup. It's possible, however, that the setup was planned before the point in which Tupac had even met Nigel.

The song 'Against All Odds', in which Tupac states "Hoping my true motherf*ckers know, this be the truest sh*t I ever wrote" he makes several references to this setup. In reference to King Tut Tupac states, "Gun shots to Tut, now you stuck." Whether related or not, King Tut was murdered after the shooting occurred. Tupac's friend Stretch was later found murdered exactly 1 year to the day of this shooting. Tupac blamed Stretch for being involved in the setup. In ambitionz az a ridah he says, "Had b*tch a** ni**as on my team, so indeed they wet me up". In Against All Odds he says "and to that n*gga that was down for me, rest his head, switched sides guess his new friends wanted him dead." Tupac believed not only the shooting, but also the rape case was part of a setup.

The setup in the shooting seemed to run hand in hand with the rape case Tupac was going through at the time of the shooting. Click here for info on that case. The same cops who arrested Tupac in connection with the alleged rape, were the same cops who arrived on the scene when he was shot. Jacques Agnant aka Haitian Jack, who Tupac claimed was part of the situation in the alleged rape, got off extremely light while Tupac was sentenced to nearly 4 years in a maximum security prison. Tupac retaliated in "Against all Odds" on the Makaveli CD claiming that Jacques Agnant was a government informant "Same Crime, different trials n*gga picture what I said". Agnant is suing Tupacs estate for in excess of $200 million because he says there's been numerous attempts on his life and he can't find work now.

This is where the beef between Tupac and Badboy originally began. The media as they apparently distorted the facts in this shooting, also mistrued the facts in this beef as they played into an Eastcoast/Westcoast war. Tupac never directly blamed Biggie or Puffy in the shooting, but they were his friends, and they never warned him. After he went to prison they never visited him. As Tupac said they 'abandoned' him and 'tried to take his position'. While Tupac was in prison he said he thought about giving up rap all together. He said the reason he didn't was the fact that they were trying to 'dirty up his name and take away everything he'd worked for'.

Here's an interview Tupac did about the shooting:

Can you take us back to that night at Quad Recording Studios in Times Square?

The night of the shooting? Sure. Ron G. is a DJ out here in New York. He's, like, "Pac, I want you to come to my house and lay this rap down for my tapes." I said, "All right, I'll come for free." So I went to his house-me, Stretch, and a couple other homeboys. After I laid the song, I got a page from this guy Booker, telling me he wanted me to rap on Little Shawn's record. Now, this guy I was going to charge, because I could see that they was just using me, so I said, "All right, you give me seven G's and I'll do the song." He said, "I've got the money. Come." I stopped off to get some weed, and he paged me again. "Where you at? Why you ain't coming?" I'm, like, "I'm coming, man, hold on."

Did you know this guy?

I met him through some rough characters I knew. He was trying to get legitimate and all that, so I thought I was doing him a favor. But when I called him back for directions, he was, like, "I don't have the money." I said, "If you don't have the money, I'm not coming." He hung up the phone, then called me back: "I'm going to call [Uptown Entertainment CEO] Andre Harrell and make sure you get the money, but I'm going to give you the money out of my pocket." So I said, "All right, I'm on my way." As we're walking up to the building, somebody screamed from up the top of the studio. It was Little Caesar, Biggie's [the Notorious B.I.G.] sideman. That's my homeboy. As soon as I saw him, all my concerns about the situation were relaxed.

So you're saying that going into it...

I felt nervous because this guy knew somebody I had major beef with. I didn't want to tell the police, but I can tell the world. Nigel had introduced me to Booker. Everybody knew I was short on money. All my shows were getting canceled. All my money from my records was going to lawyers; all the movie money was going to my family. So I was doing this type of stuff, rapping for guys and getting paid.

Who's this guy Nigel?

I was kicking it with him the whole time I was in New York doing Above the Rim. He came to me. He said, "I'm going to look after you. You don't need to get in no more trouble."

Doesn't Nigel also go by the name of Trevor?

Right. There's a real Trevor, but Nigel took on both aliases, you understand? So that's who I was kicking with-I got close to them. I used to dress in baggies and sneakers. They took me shopping; that's when I bought my Rolex and all my jewels. They made me mature. They introduced me to all these gangsters in Brooklyn. I met Nigel's family, went to his kid's birthday party-I trusted him, you know what I'm saying? I even tried to get Nigel in the movie, but he didn't want to be on film. That bothered me. I don't know any ni**a that didn't want to be in the movies.

Can we come back to the shooting? Who was with you that night?

I was with my homeboy Stretch, his man Fred, and my sister's boyfriend, Zayd. Not my bodyguard; I don't have a bodyguard. We get to the studio, and there's a dude outside in army fatigues with his hat low on his face. When we walked to the door, he didn't look up. I've never seen a black man not acknowledge me one way or the other, either with jealousy or respect. But this guy just looked to see who I was and turned his face down. It didn't click because I had just finished smoking chronic. I'm not thinking something will happen to me in the lobby. While we're waiting to get buzzed in, I saw a dude sitting at a table reading a newspaper. He didn't look up either.

These are both black men?

Black men in their thirties. So first I'm, like, These dudes must be security for Biggie, because I could tell they were from Brooklyn from their army fatigues. But then I said, Wait a minute. Even Biggie's homeboys love me, why don't they look up? I pressed the elevator button, turned around, and that's when the dudes came out with the guns-two identical 9 mms. "Don't nobody move. Everybody on the floor. You know what time it is. Run your sh*t." I was, like, What should I do? I'm thinking Stretch is going to fight; he was towering over those ni**as. From what I know about the criminal element, if ni**as come to rob you, they always hit the big ni**a first. But they didn't touch Stretch; they came straight to me. Everybody dropped to the floor like potatoes, but I just froze up. It wasn't like I was being brave or nothing; I just could not get on the floor. They started grabbing at me to see if I was strapped. They said, "Take off your jewels," and I wouldn't take them off. The light-skinned dude, the one that was standing outside, was on me. Stretch was on the floor, and the dude with the newspaper was holding the gun on him. He was telling the light-skin dude, "Shoot that motherf*cker! f*ck it!" Then I got scared, because the dude had the gun to my stomach. All I could think about was piss bags and sh*t bags. I drew my arm around him to move the gun to my side. He shot and the gun twisted and that's when I got hit the first time. I felt it in my leg; I didn't know I got shot in my balls. I dropped to the floor. Everything in my mind said, Pac, pretend you're dead. It didn't matter. They started kicking me, hitting me. I never said, "Don't shoot!" I was quiet as hell. They were snatching my sh*t off me while I was laying on the floor. I had my eyes closed, but I was shaking, because the situation had me shaking. And then I felt something on the back of my head, something real strong. I thought they stomped me or pistol-whipped me and they were stomping my head against the concrete. I saw white, just white. I didn't hear nothing, I didn't feel nothing, and I said, I'm unconscious. But I was conscious. And then I felt it again, and I could hear things now and I could see things and they were bringing me back to consciousness. Then they did it again, and I couldn't hear nothing. And I couldn't see nothing; it was just all white. And then they hit me again, and I could hear things and I could see things and I knew I was conscious again.

Did you ever hear them say their names?

No. No. But they knew me, or else they would never check for my gun. It was like they were mad at me. I felt them kicking me and stomping me; they didn't hit nobody else. It was, like, "Ooh, motherf*cker, ooh, aah"-they were kicking hard. So I'm going unconscious, and I'm not feeling no blood on my head or nothing. The only thing I felt was my stomach hurting real bad. My sister's boyfriend turned me over and said, "Yo, are you all right?" I was, like, "Yes, I'm hit, I'm hit." And Fred is saying he's hit, but that was the bullet that went through my leg. So I stood up and I went to the door and-the sh*t that f*cked me up-as soon as I got to the door, I saw a police car sitting there. I was, like, "Uh-oh, the police are coming, and I didn't even go upstairs yet." So we jumped in the elevator and went upstairs. I'm limping and everything, but I don't feel nothing. It's numb. When we got upstairs, I looked around, and it scared the sh*t out of me.

Why?

Because Andre Harrell was there, Puffy [Bad Boy Entertainment CEO Sean "Puffy" Combs] was there, Biggie... there was about 40 ni**as there. All of them had jewels on. More jewels than me. I saw Booker, and he had this look on his face like he was surprised to see me. Why? I had just beeped the buzzer and said I was coming upstairs. Little Shawn bust out crying. I went, Why is Little Shawn crying, and I got shot? He was crying uncontrollably, like, "Oh my God, Pac, you've got to sit down!" I was feeling weird, like, Why do they want to make me sit down?

Because five bullets had passed through your body.

I didn't know I was shot in the head yet. I didn't feel nothing. I opened my pants, and I could see the gunpowder and the hole in my Karl Kani drawers. I didn't want to pull them down to see if my dick was still there. I just saw a hole and went, "Oh sh*t. Roll me some weed." I called my girlfriend and I was, like, "Yo, I just got shot. Call my mother and tell her." Nobody approached me. I noticed that nobody would look at me. Andre Harrell wouldn't look at me. I had been going to dinner with him the last few days. He had invited me to the set of New York Undercover, telling me he was going to get me a job. Puffy was standing back too. I knew Puffy. He knew how much stuff I had done for Biggie before he came out.

People did see blood on you?

They started telling me, "Your head! Your head is bleeding." But I thought it was just a pistol-whip. Then the ambulance came, and the police. First cop I looked up to see was the cop that took the stand against me in the rape charge. He had a half smile on his face, and he could see them looking at my balls. He said, "What's up, Tupac? How's it hanging?"

When I got to Bellevue Hospital, the doctor was going, "Oh my God!" I was, like, "What? What?" And I was hearing him tell other doctors, "Look at this. This is gunpowder right here." He was talking about my head: "This is the entry wound. This is the exit wound." And when he did that, I could actually feel the holes. I said, "Oh my God. I could feel that." It was the spots that I was blacking out on. And that's when I said, "Oh sh*t. They shot me in my head." They said, "You don't know how lucky you are. You got shot five times." It was, like, weird. I did not want to believe it. I could only remember that first shot, then everything went blank.

At any point did you think you were going to die?

No. I swear to God. Not to sound creepy or nothing-I felt God cared for me from the first time the ni**as pulled the gun out. The only thing that hurt me was that Stretch and them all fell to the floor. The bullets didn't hurt. Nothing hurt until I was recovering. I couldn't walk, I couldn't get up, and my hand was f*cked up. I was looking on the news and it was lying about me.

Tell me about some of the coverage that bothered you.

The No. 1 thing that bothered me was that dude that wrote that sh*t that said I pretended to do it. That I had set it up, it was an act. When I read that, I just started crying like a baby, like a b*tch. I could not believe it. It just tore me apart. And then the news was trying to say I had a gun and I had weed on me. Instead of saying I was a victim, they were making it like I did it.

What about all the jokes saying you had lost one of your testicles?

That didn't really bother me, because I was, like, sh*t, I'm going to get the last laugh. Because I've got bigger nuts than all these ni**as. My doctors are, like, "You can have babies." They told me that the first night, after I got exploratory surgery: "Nothing's wrong. It went through the skin and out the skin." Same thing with my head. Through my skin and out the skin.

Have you had a lot of pain since then?

Yes, I have headaches. I wake up screaming. I've been having nightmares, thinking they're still shooting me. All I see is ni**as pulling guns, and I hear the dude saying, "Shoot that motherf*cker!" Then I'll wake up sweaty as hell and I'll be, like, Damn, I have a headache. The psychiatrist at Bellevue said that's post-traumatic stress.

Why did you leave Bellevue Hospital?

I left Bellevue the next night. They were helping me, but I felt like a science project. They kept coming in, looking at my dick and sh*t, and this was not a cool position to be in. I knew my life was in danger. The Fruit of Islam was there, but they didn't have guns. I knew what type of ni**as I was dealing with.

So I left Bellevue and went to Metropolitan. They gave me a phone and said, "You're safe here. Nobody knows you're here." But the phone would ring and someone would say, "You ain't dead yet?" I was, like, Damn! Those motherf*ckers don't have no mercy. So I checked myself out, and my family took me to a safe spot, somebody who really cared about me in New York City.

Interview was taken with Vibe Magazine.

Songs where Tupac made the most reference to this shooting are Ambitionz az a Ridah and Against All Odds. Listen to the songs carefully and try to figure out what each line means. Like Tupac said, "Study your Lessons". "I have a feeling what's down in the dark will come to light." I'd be surprised if Tupac didn't have more blatant unreleased songs that he wanted held until after his death.
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the 7 day theory true... he will be back in september of this year... maybe he will come out the same time his new double album comes out this fall... or maybe when is biography comes out... or maybe when his documentary hits theatres this summer... who knows?
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I didnt read any of that stuff but thank you marbles , just reading the title of the thread made me laugh harder than i have all day.
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I hate to be an asshole but I don't think it is funny some one got away with 2Pac's murder....I think the LAPD dicked around because he was an African-American and such a notorious rapper...

BTW....2Pac is dead....There is a difference between strange coincidences and people looking into the matter way too much....

People said...2Pac is Alive....And looked for evidence to back their claim up...They didn't see the evidnce and come to the conclusion he might be alive...
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2pac is so still alive. I mean I haven't seen a fake death like that since Elive's one. I don't feel like going through all the evidence, but he is still alive.

How is he going to come back? Go around telling everyone it was a fake? Thats dumb of him.
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