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Old 29 Jul 2004, 05:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by exo
Are you trying to blame Bush sr. for clintons problems then.
No I am simply saying that as you pointed out "Bush inherited a declining economy from Clinton" but that Clinton inherited a decling economy from Bush Sr. so on, and so on so it can't be viewed as Clinton's fault entirely.

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Now this is where you are sadly mistaken. There isn't an intelligent person who can say the world isn't safer with Saddam behind bars. But before that, don't forget about the operations in Afghanastan. It doesn't take much to make a real threat come true anymore. Taking down dictators who harbor and collaborate with any terrorist regime is the single most important for our president to do. Destroying the networks and cells of Al queada is absolute. It must be done. We can not live a life of freedom if we live in fear of constant terror attacks.
But that's just it, we are suppose to be defending our country from the people who attack us but none of the actual hijackers that attacked us on 9-11 came from Iraq. They came from Iran and Saudi Arabia. Saddam was a threat to his own people, that's a given but without any weapons of mass destruction or clear links to Al Qaeda how could be dangerous to us? Yes Saddam supprts the terroists but Iraq is not where the majority are hiding.

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According to the 911 comission, he presented the absolute best intelligence there was. And this was confirmed by both England and Russia. This wasn't some spur of the moment decision. There were many un resolutions that saddam didn't comply with, and they all called for military force. But, you could always ask what John Kerry's stance on the information was. john Kerry stated many times that the threat that saddam posed was the greatest threat to this country. John Kerry believed in the intelligence, the same exact intelligence that bush had, that saddam needed to be removed at all costs and that if ppl didn't believe him they shouldn't vote for him.
That cannot be fully true, when trying to convince the UN to go into war with Iraq I recall hearing that Saddam had recently bought uranium from an African nation (Sudan I believe). It was all over the news and in fact Saddam did not buy the materials from that country.

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You see, Bush didn't mislead or lie to anybody. Saddam had been watched for some 8 years under clinton and during that time he repeatedly violated un sanctions. The evidence was there. It was absolute. The 911 comission knows that this was no fault of Bush. But if you want to scream at Bush, then you have to hold Kerry just as accountable.
Yes but during our current invasion we didn't find any weapons nor were any used on us which leads me to belive that Saddams WMD were taken out during the 98 strike on Iraqi weapons factories. (also see above)

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Now there are many many points to discuss about the war and the events that lead up to it, Germany and France's involvement with Iraq, wmd's that have been found or are still unacounted for, etc. I cant' possibly get into every single point here, because it would be a hundred pages long. But rest assured, any contempt you hold for Bush, you better hold for Kerry, because he stood up and made the same speaches about iraq.
As I said I do not fully support Kerry, I believe in some of what he says but yes that was his big error: flip floping. First agreeing to go into Iraq but now wanting out of Iraq but the thing is many Americans feel the same way. At first alot of people wanted to go into Iraq and now most of the Americans want out of Iraq. Our troops are dying at a very fast rate and you've seen it all over the news, the Iraq situation is being compared to the situation in Vietnam. I honestly believe that Bush or whoever was in charge of the desicion of what to do with our troops did not create any long term plans for our troops and that is why they are being stretched out so thinly.

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Well, this is hardly worth respnding to. It lacks anything credible and as some sort of parody, it's not even ammusing. Maybe you find it funny. I don't. I take it very seriously.
But I am being serious, by posting this I'm basically dissing what I belive to be Bush's honest views and opinions of how things go in the world.

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Again, the removal of Saddam makes the world a safer place. This can not be argued. Iraq is on it's way to being a free, democratic state. This is good. But again, it would take me a year to write up an entire argument about it. Just ask yourself if you sleep better at night knowing that Saddam is no longer in power. Ask yourself if you feel better knowing that the mass graves of tens of thousands of ppl that have be executed by saddam won't be filling up ever again. Ask yourself if the freedom the Iraqi's have now is better than the dictatoship and fear they lived in for the last 20 years. Ask yourself if you would rather live in a country where you would have your head chopped off if you pissed of your leader.
The thing is there haven't been any smoking gun in the Iraq war. You said that we have found WMD in Iraq and I believe that yet we have hardly found the "enormous weapon factories" littered with dangerous weapons that could reach the US that Colin Powell and the others who wanted to go into Iraq argued. Yes it is good that Saddam was removed but who are we to march into another country and make it our buisness? When people are dying yes, someone has to interfere but now it's our people that are dying on a weekly basis. Yes, Saddam killed alot of people but now terrorists are flocking to Iraq and people are being captured and beheaded on a regular basis, just the other day 56 innocent Iraqis were killed by yet another car bomb. The Iraqis are living in as much fear now as they were when Saddam was in power. SOme Iraqis don't even have electricity. In the long run I do believe the Iraqis will be better off but the price that we have had to pay is great, I do not know how much this war has cost us but at one point it was $89 billion which by itself is a hefty price to pay for the removal of Saddam. It's our troops that I'm worried about however, I don't think we properly planned our occupation of Iraq and that's why terrorists are catching our men off gaurd. To have our army watch over an entire country is a daunting task, one which I think will take the lives of many more people. I do not think it is America's place to police the world and liberate a country unless if they are a clear and present danger: example North Korea, they're the country I'm worried about. We already know they have nuclear weapons up the wazoo, Iraq as we now know does not. While we have labeled North Korea and Iraq as the "axis of evil" *sarcasm* we still have Saudi Arabia as our allies and even though we are on good terms with the Saudi government that is where the majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from, they're a bigger threat to us then Iraq and that scares me. Saddam did not worry me when we went into Iraq. I knew he would fall, in 91 and 98 I might have said he was a thread to America but as we found out he is nothing but a shell of who he used to be, unable to control his own country when it's under attack and forced to live in a hole.

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But this is as far as I can get. I honestly can't stomach a lot of your ranting. It's just so absurd and off the wall that it's hard to tell if you believe what you know or what you assume. I'll leave the rest for oeo or trev or I'll try to finish off tomorrow.
Thanks for the praise

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